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Layla Moran: Potential Lib Dem leadership candidate becomes first MP to come out as pansexual

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stumbledin · 03/01/2020 00:03

Quote: Ms Moran, 37, told PinkNews that she had not previously had same-sex relationships and was “surprised” to find herself attracted to a woman, but added: “Sometimes, when you meet the right person, it just kind of happens.”

She said she was more comfortable with the label “pansexual” than “bisexual” or “gay” because it referred to the idea of love for an individual person for who they are and not their gender or sexual identity.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 03/01/2020 09:55

A 12 year old should be free to just be herself. school Pride club - wtf, really???

One thing I've noticed is that the stunning and brave is seeping into all kinds of pride stuff. So you're not cool till you've labelled yourself.

It's all so bloody narcissistic.

NotBadConsidering · 03/01/2020 09:55

Perhaps they see sex as some wired quantum state

Maybe that’s what transgenderism is. The state of existing as both male and female at the same time, and Moran as a student of physics sees this, but described it as “souls” for parliament to keep it simple for the rest of us.

It's a dead cat. Don't fall for it.

Although it seems Lang doesn’t buy Schrödinger's theory. 🐈

ErrolTheDragon · 03/01/2020 09:56

"In the end, these are all things that don't matter - the thing that matters is the person, and that you love the person."

She says this like it's unusual. I thought it was the norm.Confused that's the starting point, but then whether a relationship is sexual will depend on your sexuality which may be specific or not.

Binterested · 03/01/2020 10:01

Re school Pride, DD was asked to join in her first week at secondary. She’s not shown any hint of interest in matters of sexuality of any description. I was furious. Fortunately she’s been inocculated against the cult by my furious ranting and eye rolling. The school is part of the City of London Corporation and we know they have been infected by some dodgy characters so I was on my guard.

I don’t want young girls who think they might be Lesbians to feel alone. On the other hand I don’t trust Pride or Stonewall or any of them and want them out of schools.

LangCleg · 03/01/2020 10:04

Although it seems Lang doesn’t buy Schrödinger's theory.

LOL!

HebeMumsnet · 03/01/2020 10:18

Morning, all. We just wanted to pop by as we've deleted a few posts on this thread that felt a bit mean or personal. Also, however bewildering some of us might find these issues, we think posts that are only about poking fun at people's declared sexuality are a bit off. There's clearly much more to be discussed here so we'd like to keep the thread on track if we can. Thanks for your help.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 03/01/2020 10:18

I had missed the story about Ms Cobb of the LibDems allegedly faking emails and being suspended as a result.

Thanks to those who have brought it back into the spotlight so i am now aware. I'm not sure that is what Layla Moran intended.

Thingybob · 03/01/2020 10:23

If someone as staid as Layla identifies as Pansexual then I can't see it being an identity that many youngsters will opt for in the future.

AutumnCrow · 03/01/2020 10:24

The Lib Dems press office reorganisation that put the inexperienced (in that area) Ms Cobb into the 'Head of' role - I wonder who instigated that?

Sexnotgender · 03/01/2020 10:29

Well done Layla, you’ve managed to educate a whole load of us about your lovely girlfriend Rosy Cobb, I like others had totally missed the news about her scandalous fake email stunt.

Let’s talk about that because I couldn’t give a shiny shit how you identify.

donquixotedelamancha · 03/01/2020 10:30

We just wanted to pop by as we've deleted a few posts on this thread that felt a bit mean or personal. Also, however bewildering some of us might find these issues, we think posts that are only about poking fun at people's declared sexuality are a bit off.

My deleted post had nothing to do with poking fun at sexuality:

I quoted Ms Moran's statement following her arrest for domestic violence, in which she blamed the boyfriend she hit.

I referred to Jo Swinson's views about Lesbians being violent and sarcastically speculated that she had got that impression from knowing Ms Moran.

@MNHQ. Are you sure you have the right balance when you are removing criticism of senior politicians for assaulting their partner in public, then blaming the victim?

Sexnotgender · 03/01/2020 10:35

www.prweek.com/article/1667821/lib-dems-head-media-suspended-fake-email-allegations

Some more information on Rosy Cobb and the Lib Dem fake email scandal, just in case anyone is interested.

AutumnCrow · 03/01/2020 10:43

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/layla-moran-set-to-withdraw-from-liberal-democrat-leadership-race-following-revelations-she-was-a4141586.html

According to this story from May 2019, Moran gets "shaken by the media attention and I think she wants to protect her friends and relatives from being exposed to further scrutiny, which would be unavoidable in a leadership contest.”

Curiouser and curiouser.

Swinson of course got the gig. I always wondered how.

MollyButton · 03/01/2020 10:43

Imo There's a need to be special and I blame TV and media.

Yes young people want to be special its part of growing up. I fortunately joined a slightly "out there" church. I have known others get this from racist organisations - this enlightenment came to me overhearing two National Front members on a bus once.
One of my DDs got it from Tumblr and deciding which of a myriad of "sexualities" she was. I really am not sure that TV or media are especially to be blamed, they are more followers of the "wokeness".

Layla at 37 should have grown out of this.

HebeMumsnet · 03/01/2020 10:45

Hi @donquixote. Sorry if that caused confusion. No, yours wasn't poking fun. We deleted yours because the last line read as though Rosie Cobb was implicated in the DV allegations - just infelicitous phrasing but we thought important not to let that stand. Do feel free to repost without that bit though.

Pan2 · 03/01/2020 10:49

Pansexual. Intrigued.

Well quite, overall. It's the self-absorbedness of it.

Justhadathought · 03/01/2020 10:55

Fertile ground for comedy panel shows going forward......

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/01/2020 10:58

molly, to clarify, there's more of a focus on what you look like and label yourself as that ever before rather than your talents, skills, achievements or just being a nice friendly person.

There are people who are celebrities simply because of their 'identity.' That's where the media comes in; I include tumblr as part of the melting pot of ICT.

HorseWithNoAnecdotes · 03/01/2020 10:58

But if you scroll down and down, you will not see once mention of that word..

It's almost as if people are trying to erase the word.

Silly me for thinking that.

littlbrowndog · 03/01/2020 11:12

Going to run and have a look at them stories posted on here

littlbrowndog · 03/01/2020 11:18

Cripes she said she hit her partner in a piece in London standard

NextdoorNeighbourIsATwat · 03/01/2020 11:19

Jeeeeez. So lesbian or bi then.

What's with the bleddy pansexual label? It just makes people sound as though they want to sleep with everything, including inanimate objects.

Ereshkigal · 03/01/2020 11:24

That email thing Rosy Cobb allegedly did though. That's really quite an immoral and cynical thing to do.

www.prweek.com/article/1667821/lib-dems-head-media-suspended-fake-email-allegations

Sexequality · 03/01/2020 11:29

I am guessing ‘pansexual’ means you get to exclude certain groups from your sexuality without being a bigot as it is ‘love for an individual for who they are’ not because of how they identify. Whereas if you were a lesbian (or heterosexual) then love for an individual doesn’t apply to choosing relationships obviously Hmm

Melroses · 03/01/2020 11:35

I am guessing ‘pansexual’ means you get to exclude certain groups from your sexuality without being a bigot as it is ‘love for an individual for who they are’ not because of how they identify. Whereas if you were a lesbian (or heterosexual) then love for an individual doesn’t apply to choosing relationships obviously

Hence the necessity to see into souls so that you know who the truly good are. Looks like she has got that one sorted. She will need to teach us.

Where do I find Sonia's videos?

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