Layla Moran: Potential Lib Dem leadership candidate becomes first MP to come out as pansexual

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Quote: Ms Moran, 37, told PinkNews that she had not previously had same-sex relationships and was “surprised” to find herself attracted to a woman, but added: “Sometimes, when you meet the right person, it just kind of happens.”

She said she was more comfortable with the label “pansexual” than “bisexual” or “gay” because it referred to the idea of love for an individual person for who they are and not their gender or sexual identity.

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It's here *Melrose's
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I don’t care what she does in her sex life long as it’s legal and consenual

But I don’t need to hear about it

But someone who admits to DV violence and is now partnered with cobb who was suspended from LibDems and has now left the LibDems

She does not seem like the person to be leader of LibDems

Layla has spoken about being overweight and she had her stomach stapled aged 23.

Not relevant to her sexual identity I realise, only posting as she obviously struggled with her appearance at a young age and may have some hang ups about her body. She sees a therapist so hopefully understands that as a route to feeling happier, perhaps more so than surgical intervention? I hope she isn't full on TWAW when it comes to children. In an old Times interview she speaks of ambitions to be education secretary.

I didn’t know about the surgery. That is interesting and actually makes me much more sympathetic to her. There’s a lot to be said for bariatric surgery - it can really work. My dear Aunt has her life revolutionised by it at 60 after a lifetime of struggle.

I wouldn’t want it to get categorised at the Mermaids/chop off the bits that make you unhappy end of the spectrum of interventions.

Daily mail have done quite a good job reporting on this story. The text of the article was all about Moran's statement and then it had a panel setting out Cobb's activities, minus the silencing around Challenor, unfortunately but you can't have everything.

Responding to Boatyardblues' comment on page 1:

I’m still puzzling over why this person needed to tell us boring old married farts. It’s not like we are in their potential dating pool, so no ‘need to know’, and we’re not bothered who they want to love, date or have sex with.

I'm surprised to see such a homophobic statement go unchallenged for four pages.

When it's assumed I'm straight (which sometimes happens on a daily basis) I'm sometimes required to out myself. Sometimes it's necessary for factual clarity and sometimes it's because I don't want to perpetuate a false assumption which might end up with embarrassment down the line.

It's not unusual, once I've said that my partner is a woman/ I'm a lesbian, to get the defensive 'I don't care if you're gay or straight or whatever, I just wish your lot would stop going on about it all the time' speech you just delivered, Boatyardblues.

Unwilling though I am to stick up for Layla Moran, she made her statement because she was going to be outed by a tabloid and she wanted to get in first. It wasn't because she fancies you. The fact that she has chosen not to identify as lesbian makes her homophobic in my book and tells you just how desperately anti-lesbian and anti-feminist the woke element of the left are. Lesbian feminists are now the enemy of the far left and the woke. They are terrified of women-focussed women.

I've seen threads here asking what straight people can do to support lesbians and the very first thing you can do is recognise homophobia, whether it's your own or others', and challenge it.

It's an amusing irony when MNHQ deleting feminist posts that get a bit too close to the truth-telling bone with regard to gender theory, means that the posts remaining are much more concentrated on what a particular gender-believer would rather feminists aren't mentioning.

Ha!

Thank you OhHolyJesus I didn't realise the implications of the end of that video when I watched it before (but then we did not know Rosie Cobb was in a relationship with Layla Moran )

Worth the re-watch.

Sorry damnwoman but could you explain why the statement is homophobic

I read it as anyone straight or otherwise can be married, and married people do not generally consider themselves to be part of a dating pool

Just trying to see through your eyes

Unwilling though I am to stick up for Layla Moran, she made her statement because she was going to be outed by a tabloid and she wanted to get in first to change the focus away from the fake emails.

Midgebabe, Layla Moran was outing herself – putting herself on the line as other, different, in a minority, and therefore making herself vulnerable. Coming out puts you in a position where you can be rejected or insulted or even physically attacked. It's not a trivial thing.

Boatyardblues said:
I’m still puzzling over why this person needed to tell us boring old married farts. It’s not like we are in their potential dating pool, so no ‘need to know’, and we’re not bothered who they want to love, date or have sex with.

Let's leave aside the fact that the Daily Mail was about to 'expose' her for having a relationship with a woman and so she was compelled to come out. Let's look at Boatyardblues's words.

'Us' = normal straight married people. 'They' = people not like us. The assumption being that everyone here is the default. It others me and Layla Moran.

And then, paraphrasing, it goes on that Boatyardblues and the rest of 'us' (straight married people) don't need to know about Layla Moran, they're not interested. Which reads to me like shut up and go away, we're not in your dating pool I don't want to know that you are different to me.

Possibly you need to have braced yourself to come out to someone who has assumed you are just like them (straight) and been told they don't care, they just wish you gays wouldn't keep going on about it to understand.

If you don't get it, you don't get it – but I will draw my own conclusions from the fact you don't get it.

My apologies ThatDamnedWoman if I offended you. In my situation the person dropped it into a conversation completely out of the blue, not to correct an assumption. They literally plopped it in the middle of a conversation about something else. I tend not to assume people’s orientation and take them as I find them. DH and I would welcome them & their partner into our home, irrespective of whether they were same sex or a straight couple. I just don’t see why it’s important to announce it unless it is relevant to context - in the same way people who hold strong religious belief that is intrinsic to their sense of identity tend to raise it as & when necessary. I think the information about the imminent tabloid story came after I posted, which then provides the relevant context for Moran’s public statement.

I think in Layla's case most people aren't that bothered that she is in a relationship with a woman. Who the woman is is far more significant.

And I do still have big issues over her admitted DV, just as I would if it was a man. DV is DV. Fraud is fraud.

Argh. Cross-posted. Anyway, my point stands.

The timeline of all this Lib Dem politicking is intriguing.

2017 the Lib Dems' CEO Tim Gordon steps down. He was known for keeping a right rein on Party spending. (I've met him btw.) (Just to name drop.)

By February 2018 the Lib Dems press office is reported to be in chaos. Too many new hires, good people gone, Ms Cobb put in charge despite having no experience. order-order.com/2018/02/23/leaving-libdem-press-office-exodus-causing-chaos/

By November 2018 the Lib Dems are in financial turmoil, with a quarter of their staff facing redundancy www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/liberal-democrats/vince-cable/news/99690/excl-lib-dem-bosses-called

May 2019 Layla Moran drops out of leadership race (which Swinson goes on to win) www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/layla-moran-set-to-withdraw-from-liberal-democrat-leadership-race-following-revelations-she-was-a4141586.html

At some point in 2019 Moran begins a relationship with Cobb
www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/layla-moran-lgbt-rosy-cobb-pink-news-1-6449026

Late Nov / early Dec 2019, Rosy Cobb is revealed to be the source of the faked email. The legal threats to openDemocracy, presumably designed to keep the whole thing quiet, were apparently signed off by a certain Joanne Swinson.
order-order.com/2019/12/03/libdem-head-press-rosy-cobb-suspended-party/

January 2020, with Swinson yesterday's news, Moran makes her leadership bid.

Apologies if I have got any of those dates wrong - please correct.

I know this is in the press now as they were running to get out in front of it, and thought they could present this in a way to give them an advantage, to appeal to their target vote of woke millennials (to use a stereotype, but you know...) but it seems to me this (hopefully!) will be a spectacular own goal.

Most importantly it draws attention to the dodgy activities of the people involved, and I agree this should be the main focus rather than focusing solely on the absurdity of their language and concepts.

Ironically, their target market (certainly based on my DCs and their friends, late teens/definitely targets for the LibDem vote/woke millennials) seem to be judging them negatively for the second reason. Binterested's post was timely as I funnily enough actually came here to post that I discussed this with my DC and when I asked what the difference between bisexual and pan sexual was she replied "one is attracted to both sexes, one is a 12 year old that shouldn't be on the internet". It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad and frightening.

These are politically aware and active young people (old gimmer alert!) so hopefully when they are discussing this they will be aware of, and spread the details of the behaviour of people involved, rather than simply discussing the term pansexual etc.

thatdamnwomen just to be clear, the Daily Mail was about to 'expose' her for having a relationship with a woman who tried to present a fraudulent email as evidence of criminal action and was suspended from the party when this became apparent.

A uk politician in a relationship with a woman is hardly newsworthy; leaders of both the Scottish Labour Party and Scottish Conservative parties until recently were both Lesbians in relationships with women (still lesbians but stepped down as political party leaders)..

Let's leave aside the fact that the Daily Mail was about to 'expose' her for having a relationship with a woman and so she was compelled to come out

Was it? I don't really think the Mail or even the majority of its readers are remotely bothered about whether anyone in public life is gay or straight.

I can imagine a puff piece along the lines of "Layla Moran finds new love after traumatic bust up". It's not exactly real public interest but well within the bounds of tabloid "public interest" in a public figure.

It certainly isn't "exposing" unless you think any mention of the new love being the same sex is "exposing". If that is the case that choice of words by you is in itself introducing an element of homophobia.

I think in Layla's case most people aren't that bothered that she is in a relationship with a woman. Who the woman is is far more significant

Indeed. I can't recall seeing a single derogatory or negative article about Ruth Davidson's, Kezia Dugdale's, Angela Eagle's or Justine Greening's partners.

And the story, given that no-one gives a toss about same-sex relationships, is what exactly is Moran trying to hide?

Did she and Swinson trade favours around the leadership and Cobbgate?

Swinson already showed piss poor judgement over the Rennard business.

Ah...damnwoman... I had to go back to boatyards original post...the snippet you wrote wasn't complete and the longer post makes your response much more understandable

It would not surprise me at all if the Lib Dems decide to pivot hard into woke politics. They are down to 11 MPs and their core policy of 'stop Brexit' has failed, so they need a new political 'hook' if they want to avoid fading away altogether.

Moran may be positioning herself here to take the party in that direction.

They don’t need to ‘pivot hard’; the are there already.

Possibly why they are down to 11 MPs

What do you mean take them in that direction? They’re the wokiest of woke already.