I Believe Her

[Brittany2019]

This is disappointing :

But the way to deal with it is to allow discussion. By deleting comments of those that have a different perspective (NOT transphobic - I saw the comments) you've lost all credibility and silenced women. You can no longer claim to be a feminist page. More Me Me than Me Too

Saying trans people deserve as much support in sexual assault cases as anyone else is not the same as insisting that TWAW. I'd back I Believe Her on the first point, but not on the second, if that's what they're saying.

Comments claiming TW have periods are still there as well as lots of “bye bye hun, you won’t be missed”.

Frothy I’m sorry but you are a coward. And given you are still “mulling over” your stance on how to ensure women with PTSD access support when they are triggered by Male bodies you will soon realise that that in itself with invite vicious accusations of “TERF” from people like your friend. There is no grey area for these people. You can’t reason with them. But you know that, otherwise you would not have deleted every sensible and considered post from women who want to keep female spaces female.

The problem with inclusivity is when it excludes more people than it includes - well it’s not inclusive any more is it.

GColdtimer could you share a link to the FOVAS report here please? I'd like to see it. Many thanks.

She is saying that TW should be able to access female spaces because there is nowhere else. She is ignoring the vast amount of women who do not want males in their safe spaces, regardless of how they identify. She admitted she doesn’t support the forced use of pronouns and agreed victims should not have to refer to “her penis” but Deleted her comment after I pointed out that made her a Transphobe. And she deleted the FOVAS report and banned me. I have supported the page since the start.

fovas.wordpress.com/

It’s very powerful. Will also find a blog post from my friend who cannot access oxfird rape crisis because of their “inclusive” stance.

Why did you delete all the posts that criticised your stance? Bit ironic, given the name of the page. Or do you not believe the women who say female only space is important?

Guess having fawning acolytes around is your priority. And not just having them being seen to have them, to be uncritically hailed as being marvellous.

The page clearly is less about supporting victims of make violence and more about your ego.

I really did think it was some kind of trolling or ‘joke’ when I saw it. Shame on you for putting TW before women.

Good point ORCid. I believe her - but only if she tows the party line.

GColdtimer. Thanks

And this. fovas.wordpress.com/survivors-blog-pieces/?fbclid=IwAR2ejzggsqpAUNZbDa3Ctxkb0bonVio9csUSgDPO7YjsvrnN9kfe8TKyurE

Oh yes, enjoy the period fetishists who will latch on to this too.

If you don't believe me take a look at Reddit's community here www.reddit.com/r/itsafetish/ which is just a series of reposts from other groups of users in their own words.

You are prioritising them over actual women.

Well done for throwing women under the bus.

Orchid
You are absolutely spot on. So well said!

@FrothyDragon

TERF is offensive. It indicates that you
Don't believe women or lesbians are allowed to be in spaces or relationships only with other women.

Ergo allowing the term TERF means you believe lesbians must accept TW. Including the ones who retain a penis.

Therefore you support men's rights over women's.

Allowing and condoning the term TERF sends a coercive signal to women.

How on earth you can continue to run such a page and allow those comments as well I have no idea, but you're not supporting women.

If you issue such statements regarding TW, issue a statement regarding abuse of women who disagree.

Jesus, the hypocrisy of those people is astounding.

Wow.
You have basically declared to all the females who have suffered sexual assault that you believe a penis can be female.
As a rape survivor I find that stance vile.

Are you trying to gaslight me Frothy?
Are you trying to mess with my mental health?
Why would you want to include males in a group that was once a male free safe space?
I have taken your statement personally. You have somehow managed to cheapen/degrade my experience and I cannot find the words to describe why or how but that's how it feels.

There are comments about males having periods. I was raped while on my period. My rapist did not care. He just used it as a weapon and called me a disgusting bleeding slag who deserved it.

I hope your page continues and I hope that women still feel safe and access it. Sadly I will need to look elsewhere as it no longer offers me the safety it once did.

NeurotrashWarrior perhaps we are only allowed to be concerned about the 'nice', mainly young, women who get raped and abused by men, despite toeing the line. I mean, how unfair that they should play along by accepting porn, agreeing that sex work is empowering and needing to spend loads of cash on looking a certain way and STILL get raped. I mean obviously it's OK to verbally and presumably, physically abuse dried up old terfs like us, not that anyone would want to, eh? Do you get this @FrothyDragon? Do you see that that is how you sound?

Sorry Frothy but your friend posted 'terfs are garbage'.
Please take a moment to unpack that.
You can't not know that many women are 'terfs' because they are traumatised by sexual assault.
You also can't not know that the bar for what counts as 'terf' is exceedingly low and covers just thinking women should be allowed to specify a biological woman for cervical smears, or needing a woman for that yourself.
Your friend thinks traumatised rape victims are garbage.

You made a statement against transphobia (ok, fair enough, your page, your ethics) but instead of also making a statement in the other direction to draw a line there you have left your users to believe you are fine with abuse like the above. Your ethics? Really?

Hear, hear.

You deleted my comment about Karen white, why was that I wonder?
I also tagged Posie in a post because I could.

Utterly disappointed in you. Just throwing biological women under a bus.

I want to know how the process of throwing off the shackles of radical feminism works. Is it a bit like becoming a surrendered woman?

To say you deleted some comments because you don’t know how to turn comments off altogether is a crap excuse. A swift google of “how to turn comments off on Facebook” would show you how.