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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

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Doyoumind · 30/09/2019 12:37

RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

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BeMoreMagdalen · 30/09/2019 16:01

McKinnon is a straight up professional troll. I am astounded anyone takes McKinnon's shit seriously, but I guess if McKinnon excels at anything, it's the ability to dupe wokesters into revealing their rapey, misogynist inner heart. I'm sure McKinnon probably isn't a ringer doing that on purpose, but damn, there are a lot of idiots with a really nasty inner life that McKinnon is magnifying with this utterly bizarre MRA schtick.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 16:04

bet that straight male husband would be gone faster than a bullet if princess decided to transition to a man though, and got a fake dick and called themselves gay.

I know right and it was just coincidence that Princess pan happened to fall for a straight cis man too, she's really up for everything ....if she was single......but she isn't so..........

Ereshkigal · 30/09/2019 16:09

if you don't like it - JUST TRY IT!

Why would trans people be "the only people who get cut out"? If someone doesn't want dick, they aren't going to sleep with other males either, so they are also "cut out".

owlonabike · 30/09/2019 16:10

If I were a lesbian, trapped, possibly half dressed and vulnerable in a bedroom with a personwithasuddenlyrevealedpenis and working out the least rage -inducing way of saying No- well, damn right I’d be panicking. Not big on empathy, is Rachel. Or indeed, any shred of human decency.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 16:11

It's a story as old as time "man gets angry because lesbian won't be turned by his amazing (lady)cock"

Ereshkigal · 30/09/2019 16:13

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1177539691618414597?s=19" target="_blank">Poor Joss Priorr^ has been trying hard on Twitter to show that the cotton ceiling isn't a thing. Poor Joss, undermined by Joss's own side.

YY. You'd have to have a heart of stone...

It's interesting that other TRAs have "spoken up" when I've never seen them do so before. And in fact, like Joss, usually dismiss and/or try to deny that this is a thing. Are they finally experiencing a bit of self awareness about the optics?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 16:14

What? A woman - well a lesbian - would not be ecstatic to be half naked, vulnerable and alone with a man with an erection?

Is this one of those ‘I can shag you straight’ fantasies that some men seem to have? And how would they fee of their laydee love was in fact a stronger intact male, capable of overpowering and raping them?

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 30/09/2019 16:17

I enjoyed RMs assertion that it's only transwomen that are 'cut' by women that are 'repulsed by dicks'.

Just transwomen. Not the rest of the male population then?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 30/09/2019 16:19

The rest of the male population aren't special so it doesn't matter if their fee fees are hurty hurted.

lisah987 · 30/09/2019 16:20

This trans activism stuff is getting more and more ridiculous. I just read this v funny article (about whether tomatoes are fruit or veg) which hits the nail on the head:
medium.com/@tomato2m80/are-tomatoes-totally-fruit-211185999570

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 16:21

The rest of the male population aren't special so it doesn't matter if their fee fees are hurty hurted.

#Cisprivilege

RoyalCorgi · 30/09/2019 16:25

McKinnon is a straight up professional troll.

I'm inclined to agree. I can't imagine McKinnon believes a word of the shit they spout.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 30/09/2019 16:27

@Coffeeandchocolate9

Good point, let's just do away with consent all together! Then RM and his ilk can have their way and us nasty women can take our rightful place at the feet of men.

I swear this place has gone to the dogs. How have we fallen so far so quickly?

IfYouSaySoDear · 30/09/2019 16:30

Oh come on! Yes, anyone literally gets to turn anybody down at any point during proceedings for any fucking reason at all.

My personal hit list of going insta-cold on men I'd kissed before include technical non-issues such as "once out of the club we were no longer shouting over the music - hated his speaking voice", "took off his jumper to reveal a really stupid slogan t-shirt, instant turn-off" and "thought speaking French to me would be romantic, his accent made me cringe". All ludicrously trivial. I would have thought surprise penis was a much bigger deal. Still all very legimitate, because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH ANYONE.

YouJustDoYou · 30/09/2019 16:33

I don't like olives. I hate olives. Nothing you say or do or how many times you force olives down my throat will make the disgust of olives go away. I HATE FUCKING OLIVES. The End.

BaronessBomburst · 30/09/2019 16:34

I've redesigned the t-shirt. Grin
badly

Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this
YouJustDoYou · 30/09/2019 16:35

Is this one of those ‘I can shag you straight’ fantasies that some men seem to have? And how would they fee of their laydee love was in fact a stronger intact male, capable of overpowering and raping them?

^^YES.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 16:35

I'm inclined to agree. I can't imagine McKinnon believes a word of the shit they spout.

Of course they don't , I bet rachels sits at home at night laughing at who he's getting away with it all

I would have thought surprise penis was a much bigger deal

that made me laugh. surprise penis Grin

slug · 30/09/2019 16:41

'People kill us for this'.

Proof, if proof were needed, that in their minds, the only humans worthy of the title "people" are male.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 16:44

Is that literal murder or just of the hurt feelings variety?

LangCleg · 30/09/2019 16:46

I'm nominating Big Rachel for a Services to GC Feminism award.

Thanks for all your hard work, Rachel. Please do keep going.

RoyalCorgi · 30/09/2019 16:54

I'm nominating Big Rachel for a Services to GC Feminism award.

I do sometimes wonder if Rachel is conducting a psychological experiment on the lines of what's the most outrageous, offensive thing they can say or do and some people will still go along with them. Looked at in that light, it is quite interesting to see how many supposedly progressive people will go along with endorsing rape if they think refusing to endorse it will make them a bigot.

Aspley · 30/09/2019 16:54

Wow. Thank you Paris Lees.

Please encourage more of your peers to speak out about this awful rapey targeting of (primarily) lesbians.

We can't help who we are (not) attracted to and bullying us about it is not going to help. It is not transphobia, it is just what we are.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 30/09/2019 16:59

Don't these self obsessed teeds understand that when normal people talk about sexual attraction we are talking about the whole package?
I like men, I like their firmness, their broadness, their smell, their strength, their narrow hips. They wouldn't appeal to me at all if they were disembodied genitals.
What a strange thing to say.

I think that this is at least part of it. I've seen TRAs argue that if a lesbian uses a dildo but reject TW because of their penis, then its transphobic.
If you're the type of person who only sees sexual partners as little more than living sex toys, then it makes sense.

RueCambon · 30/09/2019 17:01

@SarahTancredi absolutely, that is the answer they should overcome their own transphobia by dating each other!