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Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

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Doyoumind · 30/09/2019 12:37

RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

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FilthyBiscuit · 30/09/2019 15:07

RM is being an absolute fucking hypocrite, given RM retrospectively calls RM's trans widow a rapist for sex that took place during the marriage.

WTF?

Hamster00 · 30/09/2019 15:08

Even Paris Lees told RM to just stop

Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this
TinklyLittleLaugh · 30/09/2019 15:13

There was a case a few years ago where a woman was jailed for pretending to be a man and having blindfolded sex with a woman.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 30/09/2019 15:14

I'm pretty sure it's rape by deception?
Like this person found out:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7180730/trans-man-who-tricked-women-with-fake-penis-during-sex-and-made-one-ashamed-for-not-getting-pregnant-jailed

Women (although they may now identify as trans), have done this too:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gayle-newland-lawyers-for-woman-who-duped-female-lover-into-thinking-she-was-a-man-consider-appeal-a6734126.html

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-pretended-man-wearing-body-6719202

It's bothered trans activists for a while:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-could-face-rape-charges-if-they-don-t-declare-sexual-history-warns-trans-activist-a7076546.html

I guess it's dysphoria. Lost so far down the path that any sort of biological reality is too painful to admit too. But it doesn't help in the long run because you HAVE to be honest with your partner.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 15:14

Funny how the conversation is always about what kind of genitals women are expected to have sex with. I never see anyone pushing the argument that men who won’t have sex with ladydick are transphobic.

Isn't that a mystery.....

2Rebecca · 30/09/2019 15:15

I would expect this to be more of a problem for transmen as they pass more easily, mainly due to them nearly all having beards to disguise their feminine facial features. I think if you aren't open about your trans status and genitals from the start then you are just delaying rejection. Sexual attraction is important and people's secondary sexual features just signal to us which sex group they belong to.
People usually imagine sexual encounters with someone before they actually have sex. Those imaginary encounters will nearly always feature genitals.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 30/09/2019 15:15

Not that I think McKinnon could deceive anyone in relation to McKinnon's actual biology. Grin

ThatCurlyGirl · 30/09/2019 15:17

OH MY GOD I CANNOT EVENNNN

I said that someone saying this in explicit and undeniable terms would be peak trans for me. And I was right.

Oh. My. God.

Still, STILL some people are trying to tell us that male born people have the right to tell women who they should and shouldn't fuck.

I'm bi and i should not be made to feel that I am phobic of anything for not wanting to fuck a pre or post op trans woman.

I am allowed to say NO!

It is not racist for me to say I haven't ever been attracted physically to a particular race as I would never treat anyone of any race with any other than kindness and respect. So it is not transphobic to say I don't want to shag someone who is transitioning or has transitioned.

I am so fucking angry about this.

Still, STILL it's "cis women" who are vilified for saying what they are and are not comfortable with sexually.

Ffs stop the world I want to get off.

HandsOffMyRights · 30/09/2019 15:19

McKinnon has tweeted this rapey stuff before. It reveals a lot about them.

ThatCurlyGirl · 30/09/2019 15:20

This line of thinking would mean that gay men are womanphobic and lesbians are menphobic. That's the same argument but IT DOESNT WORK!!!

I used to refuse to believe that people like RM are just totally disingenuous but fuck it, they are aren't they? They're laughing at us.

How dare you call me transphobic because I might not want to have sex with a particular person.

How fucking dare you.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 30/09/2019 15:25

Glad to see Paris Lees speaking up. McKinnons bullshit helps no one. No one at all.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 15:26

I wonder how accommodating RM is to other trans women with ladydicks?

randomusername · 30/09/2019 15:26

Surely that encourages rape culture? Nobody is entitled to have sex with anyone, anyone can change their mind. Everyone is allowed to have their own sexual preferences. They're getting themselves into a dangerous state of incongruence. Say a biological man recognised himself as a woman, they decide they are a woman in every aspect and anyone disagrees, or is only attracted to biological females is transphobic because to them they are completely female. Having a sexuality is okay and not recognising that is extremely dangerous.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 15:26

sleeping with them I mean^^

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 30/09/2019 15:39

RM certainly is doubling down. There are some absolute corkers where their mask has not so much slipped as fallen off and been tramped into the dirt.

if you don't like it - JUST TRY IT!

Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this
Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this
Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this
BuzzShitbagBobbly · 30/09/2019 15:40

(And then a super speshul look at me I am so different pansexual princess who is married to...wait for it.... a straight man Hmm )

Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this
Interestedwoman · 30/09/2019 15:46

#ThisNeverHappens of course! Words cannot express how much I hate this rapey coercion, primarily of lesbians. Ugh!

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 30/09/2019 15:48

I love everyones genitals?

Really?

This is where I call, aye right!

I don't love anyones genitals. Genitals are not very lovable. I love my partner. His genitals give me pleasure but I don't love genitals per se cause that's just weird.

Don't these self obsessed teeds understand that when normal people talk about sexual attraction we are talking about the whole package?

I like men, I like their firmness, their broadness, their smell, their strength, their narrow hips. They wouldn't appeal to me at all if they were disembodied genitals.

What a strange thing to say.

2Rebecca · 30/09/2019 15:49

Why is it so important for trans people to pigeon hole the sexuality of the people they have sex with and pretend they are straight and cis? If you are a male having sex with another male who identifies as a woman you are still a male having sex with a male. Why is this so awful? Why is pretending they are hetero so important? Why can't this bloke be genderqueer or any of the other labels they are so fond of? Do they think they get extra kudos for pretending that their male can't tell the difference between males and females? It's like transwomen wanting to pretend that if they have sex with a woman it's a lesbian relationship, no, the woman is either straight or bisexual. Either is OK but why introduce "let's pretend" in to it all if it doesn't matter?

NothingTraLaLa · 30/09/2019 15:51

Mmm, there's nothing sexier than getting it on with someone who is (a) deluding themselves as to their sex and (b) trying to similarly deceive me.

AryaStarkWolf · 30/09/2019 15:52

(And then a super speshul look at me I am so different pansexual princess who is married to...wait for it.... a straight man

hahaha I loll'd at that exact comment also

KatvonHostileExtremist · 30/09/2019 15:53

Oh buzz

That's a classic there from that fruitloop. "I've never loved heterosexual sex more*

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 15:57

So:

-Male bodied person (saying they are female) wants to sleep with women.
-May even get as far as the bedroom (but how the hell...?).
-Gets angry and lashes out when rejected by woman (as only males can - women more likely to be upset and hurt).
-Accuses woman of transphobia/bigotry
-May even hound them at university until the leave.
-Goes onto social media to vent spleen. may name and shame to ‘punish’ them.
-Has a incel-inspired rant about women not wanting to sleep with them (boohoo)
-Wonder how they would react if they lured smoothe talked ‘Jackie’ to the boudoir and Jackie turned out to be James?

Funny that. You can take the man out of the big but not the big out of the man (as my dad would say).

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 15:59

Hang on ‘princess’ married to straight man?

Hold the press! How disgusting. Someone call Fortean Times...

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 30/09/2019 15:59

hahaha I loll'd at that exact comment also

bet that straight male husband would be gone faster than a bullet if princess decided to transition to a man though, and got a fake dick and called themselves gay.

...because he is straight and likes having sex with women.