Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

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RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

If "lesbian" means "I dunno, that term just feels right to me, you know?" then that conveys no useful information t all, other than possibly that the speaker is a bit of an arsehole.

Also conveys a lack of access to dictionaries. Time for an update of the Gideon bibles-in-schools thing, I think. Every child to be provided with a free dictionary!

Is there a handy single word for "I've realised I actually have much better things to do with my life than navel-gazing over what sort of people I might be able to have enjoyable and healthy sexual relationships with"? I'm guessing not because this would result in women whose receptiveness to dick is currently an unknown and men we can't be having that..

If the principles are:

Men are men
And women are women
And trans men are men
And trans women are women

Then what does pansexual actually mean? Surely that framework means you can be straight, gay or bisexual.

And within each of those sexualities you obviously when it comes to consensual sex, you can choose who to have sex with (with consent from both parties) and who you don't want to have sex with (totally up to you).

I don't get what falls out of those categories. If trans women are women and I like women, am I not allowed to find any of them unattractive?

I'm bisexual so I fancy women but I don't want to have sex with women who smoke. It's a preference, just like not wanting to have sex with a trans women who has a penis.

All I can boil the argument down to in my head is that basically if you have ever had a dick or still do have a dick, you get the final say.

If trans women are women and I like women, am I not allowed to find any of them unattractive?

Possibly, or it may just be that you're not allowed to show that you don't find any of them attractive.

You have to pretend every single one is utterly stunning and just your cup of tea.

This may prove problematic if someone you aren't attracted to attempts to initiate a sexual relationship with you. Remember, on no account are you to let them know that you do not fancy them. Be aware that phrases like "I'm not interested," "No, thank you," and "Please don't touch me," may be taken as evidence that you do not fancy them and are thus not permitted.

I like both men and women but not, like, all of them, because that would be weird. Apparently I should though! Just shag anyone who asks, it's the woke way.

Finally got around to checking out the archived link upthread to the "my wife raped me" thing.

I was coerced to have sex for the sake of "the relationship."

I'd just like to take this moment to register my intense fury disapproval at Dworkin being appropriated by the oppressor class in this way.

The fact that your wife has been conditioned to believe that sex is a necessity if she wants to have access to the privileges pair-bonding brings doesn't make her a rapist, FFS.

If anyone needs me I'll be over here having an epic sweary rant.

I know Tyro, we trans widows are used to being publicly defamed by our ex's but accusations of rape just show a level of narcissism that is difficult for even us to comprehend.

I don't get what falls out of those categories. If trans women are women and I like women, am I not allowed to find any of them unattractive?

I don't think our monitors would have any problem with you finding a woman unattractive...

@EmpressLesbianInChair 100%

There's been such a shift recently, my lesbian friends are vilified for not wanting to have sex with trans women.

It used to be me as bisexual who was called "greedy" and other ridiculous belittling things, now it's my gay female friends who are having their sexuality questioned.

All I can attribute that shift to is that I like some dick so I'm slightly more acceptable than lesbians. I mean, Jesus wept what a sad state of affairs.

My mum is almost 70, Irish catholic born and raised. She says "what other people do in the bedroom is no business of mine". Which I absolutely agree with. She doesn't judge other people's sex lives because she doesn't give a shit about them. She does however give a shit about bullying and misogyny.

So an Irish Catholic born in the 50s (and still struggling to equate her entire pretty happy upbringing with systemic abuse of others) is more progressive than a 'woke' movement. Progress my arse. So to speak.

Progress my arse. So to speak

Oh fuck yes. This gender crap takes us right back to when women’s brains weren’t considered strong enough to vote or do science.

I think we just have to keep explaining to straight men that they’re transphobic if they refuse to suck dick.

Ah, so it appears I am transphobic after all. My ex wife and elder daughter were correct to call me a bigot. Oh dear.

Oo look, a new woke way of saying I'm a lesbian so I don't shag men!

You have to admire the mental gymnastics necessary to include some people with penises in the category of women.

Don't let it get you down, Doctor , it's so subjective and devoid of meaning at this point that my goldfish has probably managed to be transphobic by now. The cat definitely is. Bigotted little bugger.

"Oo look, a new woke way of saying I'm a lesbian so I don't shag men!"

So, now do we supposedly have to 'excuse' not wanting dick by saying 'I'm not into sex toys actually', hence rejecting dildos and strap-ons to prove that we are properly penis-phobic............

Or can we just say -- only if you can take it off and clean it in the dishwasher..................

I have penis repulsion which limits my capacity yada yada wanky waffle

No love, Riley Dennis and Rachel Mac have shot that one down. You don't escape. You have a duty to get over your socially ingrained prejudices and learn to 'cope' with penis, your feelings aren't part of the equation. Repeat slowly to yourself you don't get to choose . Sorry, but you're a transphobe.

‘There are bi women who are penis repulsed.’

Bi meaning, in this context, exclusively lesbian, I guess?

This stuff is all bonkers.
Ordinary people just shag people they want to
It’s that simple

And who want to shag them

No need for all this stuff

The whole "eat your broccoli, it's good for you" approach to coercing young women into unwanted sex is one of the more offputting ways of manipulating women and girls into touching their cocks male humans have come up with. Nothing says sexy like "you can learn to cope with it".

Its not even the ever creepy "try it, you might like it" anymore.

It's the even creepier "try it, you will like it".

You're absolutely right Littl
We should all shag the people we want to, without any broccoli overtones.
This thread has been an eye opener and really funny in places except CurlyGirl for you.

Sir Vix, just fuck off.
Just dragging this back a week Datun Sherpa McKinnon has had me sniggering all week.
Sherpa needs to be out there in the wider public.

If you don't like it then you just aren't trying hard enough! I've developed an allergy to the word "examine". Examine your attractions and reasons for not liking (whatever), ladies - nope, not going to, fuck off.

What if you aren’t penis-repulsed, but merely penis-unenthusiastic?

"I don't care enough about you to feel repulsed, I just want you to go away".

Totes phobic I assume.

Learning to ‘cope’ with it - the absolute pinnacle of sexual enjoyment that women deserve.