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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:28

Less than two years have passed since the first TWEC thread and now its time for a third.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

Regulars- do post here to get the thread going.

Lurkers- now would be a great time to de-lurk.

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TinselAngel · 23/09/2019 15:36

Well clearly I'm not going to, because I've come to the realisation that if I don't do it, there's a high chance nobody else will.

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socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 17:23

Btw 987 I'm not sure we all thought Jenner glamorous, younger-looking or fashionable... Most men and women I talked to at the time thought the spectacle of a middle-aged parent doing that variously creepy, sexist, unconvincing, repellant, delusional, indulgent and sad.. but I imagine it would be the ultimate fantasy of many of the men we know all too well. It's so interesting that it's largely the transitioning men who need the attention and go overboard on the make-up and paraphernalia far beyond most natal women. The women who transition are generally far more private and understated. Suggests there's a lot more to this than gender dysphoria

Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 17:25

I'm thinking about writing a book but I don't know.

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 17:34

Plus Jenner is a great example of a man who didn't give a sh** about how his wife and children felt. I gather the chickens may have come home to roost on that one.

TinselAngel · 23/09/2019 17:36

The only person I know he has dated since we divorced looked like could be intersex or a detransitioner.

How would somebody look intersex?

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Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 17:45

Sorry, I meant to say thats how he looked to AGPs.
Women who transition don't have a fetish. Women hardly ever have fetishes. Some female detransitioners say they did it because they were tired of sexism and feeling less than, were sexually abused as children and felt it would make them feel more powerful.
A lot of them are gender nonconforming women and get caught up in the cult telling them they must really be men.

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 17:47

What's your book idea 987?

Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 17:49

@TinselAngel my friend went back through this person's FB and told me I should have a look. So it turns out said person looked like a man a few years back, then started to look more and more female. Even as a man though there was an androgynous nature.
So I don't know if this person is intersex and decided to they want to be female or if this is a detransitioner or what. When they put up pictures of themselves wearing a lot of make up with their hair done, their friends fall all over themselves with the type of compliments you would give a trans person. Not exactly "stunning and brave," but close.

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 17:50

Hope everyone else out there is okay; haven't heard from some of you for a while. We're thinking of you even if life's too tough or busy to post.

TinselAngel · 23/09/2019 17:54

True, social. I'd particularly love to hear from @Birdbandit and @EmilyHowardsWife as to how they're doing.

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Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 18:37

So I have been realizing some thing these past few weeks that I thought I would share, hoping that it helps some one else.
It's been three years and I'm still figuring out his lies and deceit. So I don't know how detailed you get, if you have questions please feel free to ask.
We had a great sex life for 4 months. Then one day he cried and said he was afraid our relationship was just about sex. We talked about it and I told him this was normal.

He asked me in the 5th month to move in together and then asked me to marry him. (Love bombing) after we moved in together, one day it was like he turned into a different person and suddenly didn't want sex, told me it felt like a chore and he was tired of being pressured. I have him his ring back but we worked it out. (Sort of)

I kept trying to figure out how you go from high libido to very low and your wants and needs and beliefs could change so much so suddenly.

Years later we are in therapy and she suggests getting get tested for low T. He immediately says "I don't want it to change my personality." We tell him that's not a thing. He is agitated and uncomfortable, a bit mad and anxious.

He gets tested and I go along to get the results because I don't trust him. She says he has the level of an 80 year old man at age 37. He looks like he wants to cry. Looks anxious. Dr writes him an Rx and he says he doesn't want it. Says it will change his personality. She tells him that's not how it works.

He takes the Rx and goes home, won't talk to me and is catatonic in the fetal position for 40 minutes. Finally he snaps out of it and says he will take it.

I told this to my therapist last week and he says "do you think he was taking testosterone blockers?" I had never thought about it but I bet he was.

It makes so much sense. So I'm going down the rabbit hole....he knew he wanted to take them and that is why he started crying about our relationship only being about sex. And then he knew if he moved in and we got engaged I would be stuck when his libido tanked.

Then I wondered how he got it up once a week and read about how trans women take cialis or viagra if they are still in tact. And I am pretty sure he was taking cialis. Just reading about what it's like, he had to be.

Then I wonder how he paid for this without me knowing about it. I remembered he told me when he was with his first wife he would go grocery shopping and take 20 bucks out at the register. Then he would save it up and get a money order and mail it to buy wigs and breasts forms and have it mailed to him at work.

Then I remembered he always grocery shopped before any of us got home from work or school so no one could go with him. At one point I was going to school and working so I signed up to get a ton of non perishables delivered to us every other week. He was so mad at me and I couldn't figure out why. He said he needed to pick out the right brand and I told him to go on amazon and make changes. I guess he was mad that he was going to lose out on a lot of opportunities to get cash out at the register.

He was already transitioning before we even got married. I married a stranger. And he seemed to be using the testosterone gel but I think he might have faked it because his libido didn't change at all. He claimed that he was at a normal level 6 months later but now I know he was probably lying about that too.

Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 18:38

Sorry for the typos! I forgot you can't edit.

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 19:31

How are the women in your other support groups doing 987? Have you come across women who have moved through this to happier lives?

Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 19:41

Social worker: some are. Actually some times they leave the groups because they are ready to move on with their lives.
It seems like the ones who have the hardest time have younger children and the spouse is trying to make the divorce take as long as possible.
I know several who are in good relationships with men now or who are enjoying dating around and exploring their sexuality with heteronormative men.

I decided to go back to school and I'm really enjoying it. I do some times wish I had a companion but I have such bad luck with dating, I really don't have the desire or energy to do it anymore.
I think once the divorce is over things tend to get a lot better. Having to live with him watching the transition seems to be so damaging. I'm usually the one encouraging women to get out ASAP.

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 19:49

Then I remembered he always grocery shopped before any of us got home from work or school so no one could go with him. Does that mean you lived with other people while you were married? I guess that might have helped give you some support ??

Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 20:06

I have one child and he has two.

TinselAngel · 23/09/2019 20:10

We don't normally do much politics on here, but it's great to see Woman's Place coming out in support of Spousal Consent in the GRA, which the Lib Dem's have just voted to get rid of.

Shows our voices are being heard.

Terribly sad though that it was the wife of a trans partner who spoke in favour of the motion. Still, we'll be here when she eventually needs us.

womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/21/spousal-consent-and-the-liberal-democrats/

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brendansbuddy · 23/09/2019 20:17

Sorry 987 I thought you didn't have kids - how are yours through all this? A lot of people on here have kids and bear the brunt of looking after them while the husbands look after themselves...

brendansbuddy · 23/09/2019 20:18

Sorry, messing up new username; I am still Social

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 20:19

Will get this sorted out shortly...

socialworker222 · 23/09/2019 20:22

Anyone fancy being forced to stay married in these circumstances?

TinselAngel · 23/09/2019 20:53

I suspect the spousal consent clause has rarely, if ever been used, so the attack on it is purely ideological.

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Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 20:55

My daughter acted out a lot and it hurt our relationship for a few years. She came out as bi and doesn't really understand how I feel about all of this. She doesn't get that he married me fraudulently and that I was married to a stranger. She is just a teen, has no idea what this is like for me which I get.
We are doing much better now.

Transwidow987 · 23/09/2019 20:57

I think it's important for people to choose not to let the other person transition until after the divorce or annulment is over. I know women in the US who were forced to perjure themselves in court by testifying that they married a woman, before lesbian marriage was even legal.
And they will hold you in contempt of court for using the wrong pronouns even in the past tense.

Tyrotoxicity · 23/09/2019 21:31

Forcing people to lie via pronoun in court is just fucked up.

As for the spousal consent - it's baffling. The coercive element of the way the whole thing's being framed is awful. There are loads of laws that could do with refinement, but letting women dissolve a marriage when their husband turns into a stranger and announces the entire thing was a lie? That's a good law. We should be keeping it.

987 you mentioned moving on - if you've no kids with this guy, that's probably a better bet in the long run. Don't waste all your brain-space trying to work out the motivations of someone who isn't in your life any more. (Hypocritical I know but I have a kid with mine; total disengagement forevermore is... impractical.)

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