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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 19:08

It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

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LangCleg · 24/08/2019 10:57

If the torygraph really wanted to bump the clicks, they should get his wife to write a column too.

She wouldn't need to write. An entire column of eye roll emojis would do the trick.

sueanddumplings · 24/08/2019 11:01

Let's face it, you'd all be trashing what this person wrote, even if it was about bringing about world peace and reversing climate change. That's because you're naturally inclined to attack anything that a trans person does. If any trans person appears in a newspaper, magazine or on the TV you're lining up to attack them... even if what they're doing has nothing do so with any battles over self-ID. If you were sticking to the latter I might have some belief that this wasn't a hate campaign but the fact that you veer so regularly towards the personal and abusive, often for no reason, tells me otherwise.

SophoclesTheFox · 24/08/2019 11:14

Actually, I find the column very instructive, Sue. David is very good at putting across his perspective and experiences. It’s a very good insight into his mind and thinking.

As a result of that, his misogyny is laid quite bare, and I find that misogyny quite troubling. that’s a very pertinent topic for feminism, don’t you think?

SophoclesTheFox · 24/08/2019 11:14

I’m assuming you haven’t actually read the thread, though.

TinselAngel · 24/08/2019 11:32

We've just been talking in the Trans Widows thread about how a slight on one trans person is considered to be a slight on all. I can't think of any other group who it is considered should be beyond reproach.

birdsdestiny · 24/08/2019 11:46

Are we not allowed to challenge stereotypes now, is that one of the new rules? Does that rule apply to any other group I wonder, or just women.

Joisanofthedales · 24/08/2019 12:28

Sue I can only imagine you have not been reading his articles. They expose his AGP in every line. But of course we are not allowed to criticise anyone who comes under the Trans umbrella because they are such fragile flowers of would be ladyeehood.

LangCleg · 24/08/2019 12:43

Gosh, Sue, you're sounding very miserable today. It's a bank holiday weekend! Get out and enjoy yourself if FWR is souring your milk. Don't bother with us for summer's last weekend!

littlbrowndog · 24/08/2019 12:52

Haha Lang. Yeah sue stop telling women what to say write and talk about

You are not the thread monitor. Come up with a rational argument ffs

Datun · 24/08/2019 12:53

Let's face it, sue, you'd be trashing us, even if it was about bringing about world peace and reversing climate change. That's because you're naturally inclined to attack anything we feminists do. If any gender critical feminist appears in a newspaper, magazine or on the TV you're lining up to attack them... even if what they're doing is merely centering women.

If you were sticking to the latter I might have some belief that this wasn't a hate campaign but the fact that you veer so regularly towards the personal and abusive, often for no reason, tells me otherwise.

littlbrowndog · 24/08/2019 12:54

💪🔥🔥🔥🔥datun

sueanddumplings · 24/08/2019 13:22

No wonder transphobes set such a low bar when it comes to classing one of their own as an intellectual heavyweight. Confused

Cascade220 · 24/08/2019 13:24

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Pannalash · 24/08/2019 13:25

Grim

2BthatUnnoticed · 24/08/2019 13:25

Commenting unfavourably on someone’s actions is not “abusive.”

Do not let the use of emotive, inaccurate descriptors for women (“trashing, attacking, hate, abusive”) distract from the topic at hand - agp.

Whereby men find the thought of being a woman sexually arising. And yes, based on his own account, the author does appear to have it.

2BthatUnnoticed · 24/08/2019 13:32

(For the benefit of lurkers, there are plenty of positive posts about various TW - see e.g. re Fionne, Miranda, Blaire White, Seven Hex. In fact, some old timers feel some posters are too effusive in praising them!

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LangCleg · 24/08/2019 13:39

Awww. Don't be blue meanies to poor old Sue!

Who among us has coped well when lumbered with the bank holiday shift?

ThePurported · 24/08/2019 13:55

You're right Sue, we should be praising this man who believes that a nice handbag and a pair of very pronounced man boobs will eventually turn him into a woman.
You go first.

TinselAngel · 24/08/2019 14:01

Who among us has coped well when lumbered with the bank holiday shift?

It's sad when one person isn't invited on a weekend away.

birdsdestiny · 24/08/2019 14:09

I ussd to work every BH. On my way to work I drove past this gorgeous pub with a fantastic beer garden, there they all were with their beer in the sun, in the end I had to drive a different way to work. It is hard.

SophoclesTheFox · 24/08/2019 14:33

Sue, U OK Hun?

Candidpeel · 07/09/2019 13:38

And the big reveal : "I’ve made big changes to how I look. Is it time to say enough is enough?"

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/made-big-changes-look-time-say-enough-enough/

"In my unofficial role as a self-appointed Emeritus Professor of Transology, I came up with a concept a few years ago that I called The O’Brien Point. The OBP describes the point in a person’s transition at which they say, ‘Enough.’

This may come at the very end of the entire process, after every conceivable operation has been undertaken. Or it may come much earlier, when a person stops and says, ‘That’ll do me.’

Perhaps they are content where they are and don’t need to go any further. Or they may have intended to go further, but suddenly recoil, as if walking into an electrified fence, thinking, ‘Ouch! That’s a step too far.’"

He then goes on to say he thinks he's reached his electrified fence

"As today’s new photo of me – and others to follow – demonstrate, there have been big changes. Trouble is, I still have a long way to go. My face needs work: jawline, browline, nose and lips to be precise. And I am scared by the prospect of a six-hour operation on my face and the discomfort that is bound to follow it. Ditto, the operation after that… you know, that one.

The biggest issue of all for me is anaesthesia."

nah mate, seriously I doubt it. You sure its not getting you your cock chopped off? (as Magda would say)

"My experience has been that whether I hide my true nature, or am absolutely out, it’s impossible for me to be known, accepted and loved. I get fleeting glimpses: giddy, delirious joyful snatches of romantic bliss. But the hope of any permanence has always been dashed.

The purpose of transition has therefore been to recreate myself in a more lovable form. But maybe I should accept myself as I am, and have faith that there might yet be a right woman for me."

Hmm Hmm Hmm

SingingLily · 07/09/2019 13:47

"But maybe I should accept myself as I am, and have faith that there might yet be a right woman for me."

And yet, just a few weeks ago, he disclosed to his therapist that what he wanted, what he really really wanted, was to have sex "as a woman" with a red-blooded male at which his therapist "sighed" and said words to the effect of, "I wish you'd told me that a lot sooner".

I'm fairly sure there's another Venn diagram needed...

Datun · 07/09/2019 13:52

Isn't this the beginning of the binge/purge part of it all?

JoyceJeffries · 07/09/2019 14:52

He’s used a lot of words when he could have just said “I love my cock”. It would have saved us all the bother of reading his self absorbed drivel.

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