Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

...But we do get glimpses that others cannot

Presumably here he means the voyeuristic thrill of using the women’s change area at the swimming baths?

Or worse, being able to look through the sanitary bins for used towels and tampons to wear home?

He absolutely intends to say he's a woman. The only reason he's not doing it at the moment is, presumably, he hasn't done enough to satisfy his own personal sense of what a 'woman' looks like.

Probably waiting for his tiny tits to grow a bit more first.

Ugh. So many things.

Just reminds me of my ex husband saying 'i like women so much I want to be one'.

AGP in full swing and wanting everyone else's approval and interest at the same time.

Meh, he's a bit of a perv but not sure if he's a feminist issue tbh.

I'd imagine the mother of his children might see it differently.

It's as though they have taken the worst of misogyny, the worst of sexism, the worst of contempt for the female sex, and distilled it into something even uglier.

This x a million.

I can’t remember when I started thinking that being trans was something special, and fun, rather than a cross to bear.

the act of fashioning a new identity can be such a fascinating, all-consuming, creative endeavour

You can't have it both ways. Either being trans makes you the most oppressed, most marginalised people in the world, so much so that the rest of us have to accept the reorganisation of society to suit your needs, or you are people who are in the privileged position of being able to choose a fun and exhilarating lifestyle.

Which is it?

I'm not too sure actually; I do find this point interesting and think it should be explored a bit more. So many TRAs on Twitter revel in the new and interesting variations on sex they're finding yet still insist they're oppressed in day-to-day life - I don't think the two are necessarily contradictory. I watched an interview with someone who had their legs blown off by a bomb saying that day was the best of their life despite losing their legs being the worst thing that'd happened to them - showed them strength of spirit, love of others etc. Dunno.

I watched an interview with someone who had their legs blown off by a bomb saying that day was the best of their life despite losing their legs being the worst thing that'd happened to them - showed them strength of spirit, love of others etc. Dunno.

It's not uncommon to see similar comments about cancer, as if you need to get cancer to appreciate what is good about life. And I could be wrong but I think it's usually survivors who say these things. Not the ones who have recurrence and know their days are numbered.

Facing up to real medical/physical problems is not equivalent to finding new exciting identities, just because you can.

I'm not saying it's exactly the same, more that it's common for people to find the good in (or after) bad situations. Much as I dislike this tale of AGP I think you can feel oppressed or dysphoric and still find the positives in how you deal with it.

That's not to say I am convinced that what is described as gender dysphoria is always something that can only be helped by having absolutely everyone fervently agree that you're a person of the opposite sex and always have been.

This week Dave tries to convince us he has had a ladybrain all along link

He trots out a load of anecdotes where women affirm his hypothesis and then talks about how relaxed he is in a frock.

To give him his dues though he does admit to not being a real woman in the article, so more self awareness than normal. The rest is just as nauseating.

He’s a woman because he blubs at emotional films, likes wearing dresses and worries all the time. Nothing to do with stereotypes then.

Wtf?? He comes so close to reality- that possibly the way we fulfill gender roles is due to socal conditioning rather than and anything else and then goes off in some fantasy land that he's always been a woman!

I do find him particularly strange though that he has announced to the world that he 'will be' a woman rather than is a woman right now. As he has already got a lady brain why doesn't he just get on with it? What's holding him back? Reality

Reality is just so inconvenient, isn't it? However, I think Datun was on to something when she said earlier, "He absolutely intends to say he's a woman. The only reason he's not doing it at the moment is, presumably, he hasn't done enough to satisfy his own personal sense of what a 'woman' looks like."

He's awaiting the highly expensive FFS; he's having the speech therapy (learning how to make his voice "slightly whiny" - just like a real woman); he's learning how to sashay. This is a work in progress and one day he will make the big reveal. His ta-dah moment.

Ironic, isn't it? We can roll out of bed in the morning, hair unbrushed, not a scrap of makeup, sometimes looking like death warmed up....and it's still blindingly obvious we are women. No effort at appearance required.

This week's was particularly ghastly I thought. "Why aren't the hormones working yet? I've not gone all weepy all the time, like wot a real laydee would be. (Brief flash of insight: maybe those nasty feminists were right when they said that brains were just brains, unique to individuals. Hasty retreat back into stereotypes because we can't be admitting that now can we?) No, no, turns out I've always cried at films, so I've had a laydee brain all along. Phew. And my female friend says so too (through gritted teeth) so clearly that's right."

I never cry at films. I guess it's time to face the truth. I just don't have the right brain after all. 😞

My DH must be Dave's sister from another mother because he is addicted to period dramas and blubs at all of them.

Lang my dh is a great weeper. Not so much at period films but just mention one of the dogs long past, or heaven forbid a dd have a tiny scratch or bumped knee to threaten their health for life!

It's a family joke. He's from Venus. I'm from Mars. Don't anyone tell him about the ladybrain.

My husband was in bits at the end of ‘Bridge to Terabithia’. Kids had to remind him it was just a film.

Oh lordy. Mine's a kid health panicker as well!

You're worrying me now, Fanny.

My ex (the most recent one not the trans one, ironically) cried so much when we went to see Mama Mia 2 that his neck was all wet.

He was the most manly man I've ever met.

I just read that most recent column- what a load of utter, utter bollocks.

Dh cried effusively at the music from the snowman when we were at a concert a few months ago. Dc sometimes start talking about the movie Up just to see him well up. I am trying to work on their empathy!
How do these people function with all these stereotypes whirling around their head.

I better tell my burly, bearded penis owning husband that his habit of weeping like a wrung out dishcloth at Sunday night costume dramas means he’s a woman

He blubbed all through our heterosexual wedding, too, so god only knows if we’re married or not now, we didn’t have same sex marriage back then.

So much gone wrong in Dave’s thinking it’s hard to know where to start, other than wishing he would just stop. If the torygraph really wanted to bump the clicks, they should get his wife to write a column too. Get it ghostwritten if she can’t write. It would be golden.

Watching the film Father of the Bride when we were on holiday and the children were young has gone into family lore, we all cried!

DH and the two DDs weeping at the thought of leaving home for ever/DH not seeing his DD coming down stairs for breakfast every day anymore.
Me because with all the slapstick events that unfolded the poor guy never even got to eat the very expensive wedding meal that everyone else enjoyed at his expense. They didn't even save him a plate for later!