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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 19:08

It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

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hipsterfun · 06/08/2019 12:03

possibly has decided that this column will subtly educate the readers whilst avoiding any accusations of transphobia.

It’s certainly working on my mother Grin

NottonightJosepheen · 06/08/2019 12:18

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Datun · 06/08/2019 12:34

Bloody hell Notto.

That's a little too persuasive for comfort!

NottonightJosepheen · 06/08/2019 13:09

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SingingLily · 06/08/2019 13:21

It's a gift, NotttonightJosepheen, Grin and better still, it's one that's hardly likely to be shared by an AGP. They really don't know what goes on inside our heads. They can't possibly, or they wouldn't dress, walk, talk (in a "whiny voice" or otherwise) as they do. Let's face it, actually aspiring to stand in the queue for the ladies...can't say it ever appeared on my list of ambitions in life.

Campervan69 · 06/08/2019 16:52

From Julie Bindel.

Many of you are thinking this of David Thomas, but choose not to say it:

What women really want? You've got no idea t.co/daeDHM8pKM @unherd

HostofDaffodils · 06/08/2019 17:44

The weird thing is that I knew him. Many years ago. Not that well but we inhabited the same place for a few years. He was polite, privileged - but embarassed about those privileges, well-mannered.

Not a hearty Boris Johnson public school type. But, it would seem, deeply screwed-up.

I think The Telegraph shouldn't give him a platform for this. It's like a kind of upmarket Jeremy Kyle-fest.

BiologyIsReal · 06/08/2019 17:51

Just read the Julie Bindel article. Well, if anyone ever wanted proof that this is a men's rights movement it is right there in Thomas's background.

NottonightJosepheen · 06/08/2019 18:04

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FormerMediocreMale · 06/08/2019 18:41

I think The Telegraph shouldn't give him a platform for this. It's like a kind of upmarket Jeremy Kyle-fest.

They couldnt explain AGP any better than this, he'll peak thousands!

BiologyIsReal · 06/08/2019 19:23

Given that the D Tel is gender critical for sure (see today's James Kirkup article for example) readers will be reading this and thinking WTF?
Thomas is shooting himself in the foot with this one.

Datun · 07/08/2019 06:19

He really doesn't rate women at all does he? He seems a prime example of an adherent to 'forced feminism' to me.

Arousal over women's oppression is the absolute pits of this movement. What has happened to these men to make them like this?

ThatDoctorEM · 07/08/2019 08:29

So many have the sissification fetish. Their misogyny means they see women as the lowest of the low that is why they want to ape us and be 'forced' to do things.

I also think it is why many bait us online, they enjoy women 'being mean' to them 'putting them in their place', what could be sexier for this kind of fetishist than the lowest of the low (women) dominating you? That is why they are so cheerful when they respond, it has given them the hard on which they desired.

ReasonedCamper · 07/08/2019 08:43

Fine if people want to / need to transition and are pleased with the results.Other transitioning people have written about emerging breast tissue affecting their confidence, sense of self etc. WITHOUT the pervjng over them. That is the difference

He has to keep repeating his cringing apologies for sounding creep because it IS creepy.

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BretonDinosaur · 10/08/2019 20:19

This week’s column is wonderful. David has a funeral to attend. This week he’s not so much focusing on the AGP as the abject narcissism of the late transitioning man. The funeral is All About Dave. I mean - what does the late transitioning AGP man wear to an event that isn’t about him?

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/going-funeral-transgender-person-tricky-earth-going-wear/

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BretonDinosaur · 10/08/2019 20:25

Balls. Too many ads to do screenshots in a coherent way. Here is a C&P

^Author David Thomas still lives as a man, but has begun the male-to-female gender transition that will eventually result in becoming a woman. Each week he chronicles his progress. This week, a fashion crisis at the church.

Blank! Blank! Blankety-blank! If you recall the opening of Four Weddings and a Funeral, you won’t need me to fill in those blanks. Suffice it to say, I was channelling my inner Hugh Grant, driving down a dual carriageway, hopelessly late for a church service.

The occasion was a funeral – the mother of one of my oldest friends – rather than a wedding. Like Hugh, I was frantically looking for the right exit. I didn’t actually reverse back down the highway to take it, as he did. But I did make a pretty dramatic, last-second swerve from the fast lane to the slip road.

I swear I’d tried to be on time. I’d really tried. I’d familiarised myself with the route from Sussex to Somerset. I’d allowed for delays. I was all sorted.

There was just one problem. What on earth was I going to wear?
When I was a normal(ish) bloke, events like this were a doddle. Men’s clothes are mostly just uniforms. For funerals that means a more formal twist on the Blues Brothers/Reservoir Dogs look: black suit, shoes and tie, white shirt, usually best to forget the black shades.

In this case, however, the dress code was, ‘No black.’ It was an occasion to celebrate a life, as much as to mourn its passing. Again, as a man, that was perfectly achievable. I have an elegant, silvery grey Gieves & Hawkes suit. Add a pale-blue shirt and an elegantly colourful tie and… bingo! Job done.

The trouble is, I can’t wear those clothes any more. Partly, I just don’t want to. But also, they hang all wrong on me. For some reason, every suit I own is about four inches too wide at the shoulders and the trousers fall off without drastic belt-tightening. OK, I’ve lost a bit of weight, but not that much. And no amount of oestrogen shrinks one’s skeleton. I think I must have been deluded about my actual proportions.
So much for men’s clothes, what about women’s? Now, I went a bit crazy when I began the transition process, making up for 40 years of lost shopping. I would have had no trouble in finding a chic, appropriate dress or little skirt-suit. I’d have spent ages getting it right. But I’d have got there.

Trouble is, I’m still stuck in the no-man-or-woman’s land of transition. I can’t get away with wearing frocks yet. I needed a workable compromise.

Cue hours of emptying wardrobes and drawers, trying things on, throwing them off and scrabbling for something else. I did this on the night before the funeral, by the way. I was thinking ahead.
I came up with a compromise: white Calvin Klein men’s jeans; a vintage Scott Crolla men’s jacket in dark blue shot silk; a pale-pink silk vest and voile shirt from Me+Em; and dark-blue suede ankle boots. It may sound mad, but it looked great.

Come the big day, I was ready in plenty of time. I went downstairs, got in the car… then stopped. No, it wouldn’t do. The vest and shirt were lovely, but they were too showy, too femme, too, ‘Look at me, I’m a tranny!’
I got out of the car, dashed back to the house, up three flights of stairs to my flat, beginning to get sweaty a bit too early in the day, and raced into my bedroom.

After frantic clothes-hunting, I spotted a blue-and-white striped silk shirt from Pure. Excellent, matchy-matchy, gender-neutral option! Pure is discreetly middle-class and middle-aged. Who could object?
I put on the shirt, dashed back to the car, drove off. Three miles down the road I realised that I was no longer wearing my jacket. Cue a sudden U-turn, a frantic hurtle back home, another run up the stairs, more sweat, more swearing. Finally, I was underway. But now all my spare time had gone.

Somehow, I reached the church with seconds to spare. The setting was idyllic, the weather gorgeous. Only problem: the nearest parking space was 400 yards away. I ran up the lane and arrived, panting and now molten, to be greeted by my friend, who bore the wry grin of a man not surprised by the turn of events.

‘The church is packed,’ he said. ‘You’ll have to take a family seat at the front.’

I walked down the aisle, throwing embarrassed grins at all the punctual people whose inferior pews I was passing, and collapsed alongside the deceased lady’s brother, who’d been my very first boss, years ago. It was that kind of event.

Afterwards, as everyone milled around the aisle, I saw my friend’s ex-wife coming towards me looking wonderful. I pointed at her beautiful silk dress and gave her the thumbs-up. When we finally made contact, I said, ‘I’m sorry I was so late. Total wardrobe malfunction.’
She looked at me with an affectionate smile and said, ‘Yes, I’d been wondering what you were going to wear.’^

A couple of points - @MNHQ the t word here is a direct quote from the article, used by a transgender individual so I believe is not in breach of the guidelines? Also - jeans to a funeral? Shock

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BretonDinosaur · 10/08/2019 20:34

Quite literally, Spartacus

It’s all erotic to him isn’t it? And the validation at the end? Perfect Envy

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BadgertheBodger · 10/08/2019 20:36

Oh do fuck off David. Just ick. He’s so bloody delighted with himself, it’s revolting. I’m also not very interested in the friend’s ex-wife’s view, but I hope David’s wife is ok and being looked after by good friends with lots of gin, well away from that narcissistic twit

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EverardDigby · 10/08/2019 20:39

Who is it actually of interest to? It doesn't even seem like good writing.

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MadamBatty · 10/08/2019 20:42

A little skirt suit, why does that make me wAnt to vomit. I went to my best mates mams funeral this week, I knew the woman all her life. My concern was supporting my mate. My clothes were ‘respectable’. Other than than that I was concerned with my mate

FormerMediocreMale · 10/08/2019 21:19

I hope David’s wife is ok and being looked after by good friends with lots of gin, well away from that narcissistic twit

Yes and their children.

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