This is a good thread about female trans allies

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Thoughtful insights into how some women get drawn into the wrong side of the debate.

Petrol, it’s not word twisting

What you just said maybe isn't, but just to clarify when I said about the word twisting upthread what Datun did absolutely was - complete bait and switch of a question I hadn't even asked to avoid answering and confuse things, make me doubt what I'd put and confuse others.

Maybe Nonny, but there are people who would rather die than be pregnant, or rather die that live with some severe disabilities. Not everyone adjusts.

Tag team

More than one dissenting voice must be a tag team

oookay lol

stoptheplanet that is just awful.

Being forced to believe something that's science fiction and denies reality and your personal reality is abusive. Magnified many times if one have experienced actual abuse.

That's what these privileged women aren't understanding; if you can't define a woman, you can't define the impact of actual lives real experiences and so you can't define their necessary rights.

That's why the thread has moved this way.

Cross post stop, fucking hell

Stop

In the hypothetical scenario of being inside a different body, people would generally adapt to their new physical exterior, surely.

I didn't feel it was that hypothetical when pregnant with my first baby, I felt like I was in a sci fi movie, with a weird parasite growing inside me, distorting my body. I found the physical changes, happening so fast, quite disturbing. When the baby would roll over it felt like a huge snake uncoiling. But like millions and millions and millions of other women, I adjusted and just got on with it.

This thread reminded me that a woman can never ever be a trans woman. And so vice versa.

No one needs gender theory degrees etc to understand this.

model pretends to be trans www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3652750-model-pretends-to-be-trans

So true stoptheplanet I came here not having a clue really. But so many intelligent and interesting women here.

I feel I have grown from being not having the tertiary. I had to ask what it meant tertiary

But now I feel confident and well, educated 💪💪

I’m pretty terrified by the prospect of my vagina atrophying.

And learnt it here.

Me too end; mil suddenly has had a load of utis due to that and had to start using oestrogen pessaries which somehow messed her tummy up again. She's been hit quite badly.

This is all just glamourised.

I like Rene Jax take on this. She fair begs everyone to stop perpetuating this myth of stunning and brave™ as she's lived the life and it was tough. She wouldn't wish it on her worst enemy.

Wonderful post, StopThePlanet I missed it until I went back to read the page again.

Expecting others to put your perception of yourself ahead of material reality is usually narcissistic and abusive, sometimes it is merely complete lack of self-awareness. Expecting an oppressed class to kneel down and sacrifice their material reality at your perception of self is insanely discombobulated and psychologically unbalanced.

Expecting others to put your perception of yourself ahead of material reality

It's gaslighting, pure and simple

...if you can't define a woman, you can't define the impact of actual lives real experiences and so you can't define their necessary rights.

This a million times...

ScottishJenn using a trigger argument to attack women who are fighting to maintain our autonomy, our dignity, and our safety without regard/context for how we came to our conclusions is abusive and coercive.

Being told to imagine myself in someone else's body - to put their feelings in front of material reality is bizarre. I can imagine what it would be like to have a dick and balls but I can never know the reality of that existence - my imaginings, my feelings are not reality. Thus, this imagine another body scenario is a really moot argument as it is all conjecture and can't be proven or disproven.

Being told to put men in front of women, well, that's just our nemesis... good old patriarchy.

So rose, do you not want to answer the question what is feminism?

Or even my question. I asked it on threads rose has been on. Never had an answer.

I don’t bite honest

You reallly really don''t want to answer the question do you, it is so bizarre the lengths you'll go to to twist and wriggle.
I don't even care if you answer or not to be honest, but your responses are so weird.

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As I said lol

Always ignored by you roses🤔😢

What I do object to though is you switching and twisting my words into something I didn't even say in order to not answer. Then make out I asked something I didn't.
Twisting.
Which happened upthread.
That you don't even acknowledge you did, which is telling in itself.

You'll never get an actual answer littl.

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What's the point when you always bring it back to playground