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Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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HandsOffMyRights · 06/06/2019 08:25

Words fail me today

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R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 09:51

See Dr Em's Twitter thread last year on systemic Safeguarding & Child Protection failure in Girl Guides:

(extract)
"Those who wish to access victims will exploit situations and put themselves in positions where they are surrounded by children. It is why paedophiles entered the Catholic Church, sports coaching, gymnastics coaching, children’s hospitals and homes.

One is not going to get much access to children while working on an oil rig.

They will also make themselves beyond reproach. When I see a man accused of sexual abuse and people speaking about all he has done for the community/all of his awards/ such a nice guy etc. I think: he did it.

Here is one example. If you type the phrases 'award winner' 'accused' and 'child sexual abuse' you will have endless reading.
Head of Charity to Prevent Child Abuse Arrested for Soliciting Child Pornography and Sex With Minors
www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2018/06/27/head-charity-prevent-child-abuse-arrested-soliciting-child-pornography-sex-minors/

This is one reason the aid sector has attracted paedophiles to itself like moths to a flame. It allows them to maintain a ‘good guy’ persona, protect themselves with winning community awards, permits access to vulnerable children.

Dr. Salter has termed this the double life. She observes that ‘many offenders will deliberately establish themselves as the kind of person who wouldn’t do that kind of thing’ Salter, Predators, p.31

Palmer et al warn us that ‘just as status and power differentials play a role in child sexual abuse in institutional contexts, they also play a role in the detection of abuse. The more status and power the perpetrators and their allies possess in an organisation...

the more difficult it will be for victims and third-party observers to have their disclosures heard and believed. Victims and third-party observers may pay the price for disclosing abuse with retaliation by the perpetrator and institution’ p.29

We saw this with the Girl Guide’s expulsion of leaders raising safety concerns.

Often in these reports you notice that there was a culture of intimidation and power was centralised at the top. Often this translates as they would not listen to women or women were intimidated into silence.

The institutions create a culture conducive to abuse.

The Girl Guides in its latest bad publicity has just advertised how weak its safeguarding is, that it will expel whistleblowers and a culture of silence is to be encouraged.

The Girl Guides has just shown that it will close down discussion and make all kinds of logical gymnastics to support one identity – it is telling potential predators that they can place themselves beyond reproach in this organisation.

With self-ID how do we distinguish between the gender dysphoric and the predator who has seen an opportunity to exploit?

I am alarmed about boundary violations in the Girl Guides. That an institution is teaching girls that their boundaries are in fact bigotry and whether they feel uncomfortable or not they are expected to be exposed to penises as the norm is setting off alarms for me.

Part of sexual grooming is boundary violations in a crescive process. Moving from a non-sexual touch and escalating slowly. Perpetrators of abuse start small to see how a victim will react – they are working out who is a ‘good’ victim.

It is not such a leap to see a penis in the shower and to share a tent with someone with a penis to move to touching is it, all while the institution says, yeah that's grand. The GG are doing predators work for them." (continues)

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1045634292284628992

calpop · 13/06/2019 09:51

Thanks R0wan - this is 7/8y or so ago now. Although the next place (media) wasn't much different .... I'm old enough to deal with it now, but I do worry about young female grads going in. And people wonder why there is a lack of women going into technology!

In fairness, I think it's not quite as bad anymore as well, for women, at least - the MeToo thing has helped a lot - at least shut them up anyway. Seems children are the next group to be thrown under the bus though.

Carowiththegoodhair · 13/06/2019 09:53

Attempts have been made to place it in the Sun and the Mail since Monday. They are not biting.

This is why the MSM is dying.

Whoever talked about the gradual erosion of boundaries is spot on.

When I first heard about this, I presumed that the guy was straight! I’m horrified on behalf of gay men who are being automatically associated with this behaviour by the cries of homophobia. Gay and straight men are equally capable of inappropriate sleazy behaviour.

You don’t seem to get many women into this though. Hmm

DuMondeB · 13/06/2019 09:53

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there is a legal block on the story. Perhaps we’ll have a couple of days of secret lawyering and some intrepid investigative journalism to see if this is part of something bigger, culminating on something on a Sunday?

I hate the usual clamouring for people to be fired for opinions or activities outside of the work place and internet shaming culture, but this is gross misconduct at a children’s charity with statutory powers.
I want whoever did the hiring & whoever managed the team to be thoroughly investigated too.

An ex of mine does internal IT monitoring for a big, unfashionable UK company. Someone at his work couldn’t even get a spreadsheet to go through the email system because she had abbreviated ‘cumulative’ to ‘cum’ (to make it visible in the narrow column)!

OrchidInTheSun · 13/06/2019 09:56

Thank you for managing to interpret my garbled post last night Datun!

I see from the date that since uploading that video he has been promoted twice. Clearly the NSPCC don't have any social media guidelines for their staff.

This is a brief extract of our social media policy:
"While using any social media, either for business or personal use that can be linked back to the company, you are expected to:
· reflect the company’s brand and values
· not cause damage to the company’s reputation ... "

I think that's fairly typical. Does the NSPCC not have that in their employee code of conduct? If not, why not? Or do they consider wanking in the toilets in full squeaky pvc is in alignment with their values?

R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 10:00

Just look at the people putting their lives and careers at risk to try and safeguard kids. And they get the abuse and harassment from 'woke' types for doing so. From the likes of the NSPCC. I saw that the people at the NSPCC using a TERFblocker. What the fucking fuck?

'Kinkshaming disguised as feminism' I saw today.

I mean fuck me. What the fuck is going on?

TRA Aimee Challenor of Stonewall & Lib Dems (previously Green Party ) was a key person involved with creation /administration of early'Terfblocker'

Veritas report following investigation into the way Green Party failed to respond to AC's father, David Challenor who was convicted of rape & torture of a young girl identified that Aimee Challenor did not understand/respect Safeguarding.
Veritas report identified serious failure within the Green Party to have meaningful Safeguarding frameworks.

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3474311-Veritas-report-due-tomorrow-Thursday-at-midday-re-Aimee-Challenor

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3477761-Andrew-Gilligan-Times-Green-high-flyer-Aimee-Challenor-hid-father-s-rape-charges-David-Challenor-A-paedophile-rapist-posed-a-major-safeguarding-risk-for-almost-two-years

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347854-The-TerFblocker-list

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3209207-Green-Party-blocking-30-000-women-on-twitter

ChattyLion · 13/06/2019 10:02

Quite apart from this one bloke and what he’s filming in his work toilets there is still a major problem with the organisational advice being given to kids around defining sexual abuse and around gender and the importance of ‘changing your body’ if you want to, as discussed in the first few pages of this thread.

That poor NSPCC or Childline advice reflects the working culture at the organisation and is an example of why you get porny spokesmodels and people who can’t or don’t want to have any reasonable boundaries between their work life and private sex life.

These individuals are obviously not causes, they are just symptoms of something amiss which is much more fundamental to the problems here. Those will not be resolved by distancing NSPCC from celebs or sacking an employee.

This is not a simple ‘bad apple’ situation, but looks like it has revealed a complex systemic problem showing that the whole tree has been gradually undermined at its roots.

Robilar · 13/06/2019 10:07

Calpop, not sure if I'm misreading your post but the term 'dropping the kids off at the pool' means having a dump.

ZebrasAreBras · 13/06/2019 10:07

SO... the push for gender neutral toilets, the shaming of "kink-shamers," the denigration of feminists & safeguarding, and now it's becoming apparent that (some?) men routinely wank at work, and lots of men think this is OK? It's all coming out now (!)

I'm wondering about lots of stuff now, joining the dots. None of this is good for women and children's safety. And that's the point.

Flashers that like to wank off in public - and for women to see them - now have free access to women's toilets and changing rooms.

Pervert's charter.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 13/06/2019 10:07

I really hope that there is some serious investigative journalism going on at the moment. The UK's leading child safeguarding charity not only 'watering down' their definition of sexual abuse but 150 members of staff signing a letter of criticism of the NSPCC's actions in removing MB for failing to reflect the charity's values of inclusion and safeguarding. Their twitter account has doubled down in defence of a staff member who has evidently breached their social media policy, let alone compromised their safeguarding guidelines with totally unacceptable for the workplace, sexual behaviour.
This all suggests there may be a number of staff members completely unfit for the job of protecting children. Just as with the recent Oxfam scandal, the workplace culture in offices, shops and fieldwork proved to be toxic and enabled predators and predatory behaviour. Given the NSPCC's statutory role for safeguarding children, this is as serious as it gets.

OvaHere · 13/06/2019 10:08

The NSPCC twitter feed just seems to be doubling down without addressing any points of concern.

Who the hell is running that account? I'm going to assume it's run from the same department as rubber guy.

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
Carowiththegoodhair · 13/06/2019 10:09

Great post Chatty

DuMondeB · 13/06/2019 10:09

Now I’m reminded of that blog about Philip Bunce working the ‘TGirl’ bar at the Erotica Trade Show.
suerichmond.blogspot.com/2013/12/tgirl-bar.html

Didn’t do him any career harm, did it? www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

Obviously, wanking at work and posting the evidence online is far, far worse.
2013 V 2019

ZebrasAreBras · 13/06/2019 10:10

This is so much bigger than this one chap caught out at the NSPCC. It's indicative of a whole shift in culture - where anything goes, and there are no boundaries. No safeguarding.

Anyone else wondering what Edward Lord - chief instigator of gender neutral toilets in Central London - likes to get up to in his spare time????

Lordamighty · 13/06/2019 10:12

Brilliantly put ChattyLion. This whole saga is exposing the NSPCC. I hope an investigation by the Charity Commission will be triggered.
Surely the whole Oxfam, Kids Company scandals have put them on alert to wrongdoings in their sector.
Any journalists on here able to explain why this isn’t in the news?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 13/06/2019 10:15

Not only am I looking forward (in a depressed, how the fuck did we get here? way) to Kiwi farms getting this; I am equally keen to see what the Sunday Times et al makes of it.

As pp say, in the wake of Kids Co, oxfam etc, t's a huge deal. They are definitely on it but they need to make sure they are legally clear to run it

calpop · 13/06/2019 10:17

Calpop, not sure if I'm misreading your post but the term 'dropping the kids off at the pool' means having a dump.

yeah I know, I meant that's the other reason why I was glad they still had women's toilets upstairs, given the manager was a large guy, fond of greasy breakfasts, and seemed to come back and report this at least twice a day ....

I suspect they have gender neutral toilets now as are a very woke bank now, ironically. (Don't get me started on P Bunce)

DrG · 13/06/2019 10:18

Well, as far as I can see, the major newspapers have yet to cover the NSPCC's employment of a man who sees nothing wrong with wearing sexual fetish gear to work and uploading images of himself wanking in said clothes in a toilet cubicle of the children's charity (with that context a key component of the kink).

The NSPCC needs to outline how someone who sexualises their association with a children's charity got employed in the first place.

Still, its good to see this has not yet died on twitter, despite the usual pervs and weirdos trying to block/report anyone who posts on the subject.

twitter.com/LivBridge94/status/1138889330381000704

LangCleg · 13/06/2019 10:18

These individuals are obviously not causes, they are just symptoms of something amiss which is much more fundamental to the problems here. Those will not be resolved by distancing NSPCC from celebs or sacking an employee.

Absolutely.

Look at how quickly this has developed over the week. No actual investigative journalism required. Just a few women clicking open links on professional websites.

If the open culture at NSPCC is this inappropriate, then the underlying systemic failure is very serious and very worrying. They have no controls. Their doors aren't ajar: they're wide open.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 13/06/2019 10:19

A couple of links that may be useful: Complaints to the NSPCC:
www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/about-us/compliments-comments-complaints-policy.pdf
forms.charitycommission.gov.uk/raising-concerns/

These are some of the areas they say they will accept as complaints:
Criminality within or involving the NSPCC;
The NSPCC being deliberately used for significant private
advantage;
Non-compliance with the NSPCC’s own policies/procedures;
Non-compliance with relevant laws and regulations.
Complaints should be sent to:

[email protected]

If you're unhappy with their response then complaints to the Charity Commission here:

forms.charitycommission.gov.uk/raising-concerns/

I will be complaining about their new definition of sex abuse.
I'm going to wait to see what happens re these awful disclosures - hopefully the NSPCC will report themselves to the charity commission for their evident safeguarding failures.

ZebrasAreBras · 13/06/2019 10:19

Men are systematically dismantling safeguarding measures around women and children - and women are being bullied and called bigots for raising it.

You do have to wonder at the men who are instigating this - what their motives are. Can it simply be an altruistic passion for trans rights? I don't think so. It's a trojan horse.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 13/06/2019 10:19

Ovahere The NSPCC twitter feed just seems to be doubling down without addressing any points of concern.

That is such a weird tweet for them to put out. It' just irrelevant meaningless wordage.

R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 10:19

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there is a legal block on the story. Perhaps we’ll have a couple of days of secret lawyering and some intrepid investigative journalism to see if this is part of something bigger, culminating on something on a Sunday?

Cf TRA Jess Bradley (NUS trans Officer, co-founder TELI, Action for Trans Health) who was suspended last year (July 2018?) by NUS following allegations of flashing, inappropriate sexual behaviour at work etc)

Lawyers attempted to prevent the allegations & NUS suspension being reported.
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

Since then it has been confirmed that allegations of sexual harrassment/inappropriate behaviour etc by Bradley were also made to Proud Trust (Manchester) & Action for Trans Health.

There has been no outcome made public to these investigations. There have been allegations of both inappropriate process & poor treatment of whilstblowers.

These aspects should always be considered potential red flags of systemic Safeguarding failures within organisations/charities.
NUS, Action for Trans Health & Proud Trust have duty of care towards children, young people & vulnerable adults

threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3520762-Jess-Bradley-government-advisor-and-suspended-NUS-Trans-Officer-Part-iv

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II

TELI is a key advisor & unaccountable lobby group to Government & public services.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

Co-founders of TELI: Tara Hewitt (advises NHS, Social Care, Universities)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

Michelle Hudson, Barrister (see last years WEP conference )
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers

R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 10:24

These individuals are obviously not causes, they are just symptoms of something amiss which is much more fundamental to the problems here. Those will not be resolved by distancing NSPCC from celebs or sacking an employee.

This is not a simple ‘bad apple’ situation, but looks like it has revealed a complex systemic problem showing that the whole tree has been gradually undermined at its roots.

Yes
Its systemic Safeguarding failure
Not limited to NSPCC/Childline

What is revealed are some of the inevitable consequences.
The more significant & very serious conseqences which have & will impact children are not being seen... yet.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 13/06/2019 10:28

There's a 4 day old petition protesting MB's non-sacking from their non-job, asking people to stop donating.

Steady yourselves, MNers, because it's got a whopping FIVE signatures.

Also

  1. Yeah, stopping donations is really gonna help all those "thousands" of kids accessing childline's help isn't it.
  2. Petition claims MB never got an explanation. Er....
  3. Prioritising poor little MB over the actual children is a novel tactic.
  4. no i won't link to it because it doesn't deserve the oxygen of publicity. I'm sure the TRAs can use their vast network of allies.