Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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Words fail me today

Well I think we'd like to ask the NSPCC why they have recently changed the definition of child sexual abuse to only be abuse if it makes the child uncomfortable. Was this intentional? And if not now that the gaping hole has been pointed out will they change it back?

Also what constitutes gross misconduct when employed by the NSPCC?

And if wanking at work and posting the video to a porn site isn't gross misconduct have they got statistics for 'hours lost to wanking' by their employees?

They aren't for for purpose.

That is one scary read tbh.

Weird how the print/online news media don’t seen to have updated or followed up their stories on this topic.

This is puzzling me. It's a classic tabloid story, so you'd think the Sun and the Mail would be all over it like a rash. I can only assume that it has to go through lawyers first and they're urging caution.

But I'm astonished at the NSPCC's reaction. For most employers, this would result in instant dismissal, or at the very least a promise to investigate. They don't seem to see anything wrong with an employee who masturbates in the office toilets and then posts the video footage of it online.

Can i just say, for a bit of balance, if thats at all the right word, I work in a male dominated environment and for many years have been the only woman in an office full of men. Many of them freely commented, on a regular basis, to having just had a wank on return from the toilets (luckily, still male so I used the female ones upstairs). Its not that unusual ime. This was in a London investment bank.

The difference is they weren't making that info publicly available on the internet I suppose. They did still have some boundaries.

The difference is context.
Its the NSPCC, a childrens charity whose purpose is the Safeguarding of children.

Its comparable to a male member of Social Services admin team doing this.

Yes, my thoughts too. Why isn’t this all over the news? Lawyers? damage control or a bunch of apologists (men) thinking hard about how best to spin this?

Its comparable to a male member of Social Services admin team doing this.

To be more accurate, its comparable to a male member of Social Services Child Protection team doing this.

But also, am I alone in thinking it is just odd for anyone to masturbate at work, whether in a charity or an investment bank? And then to announce it, either to colleagues or the world via social media. Do it at home, or at least on your breaks.

I bet legally this behaviour is very difficult to condemn. Not a sackable offence. In fact brave and liberated.
Society has changed to normalise and accept extreme sexualised behaviour and many people like JCub are immersed in an online world full of it, supported by many people who don’t want boundaries.

Recognise sex as biology, or misgender someone and you’ve lost your job and probably rendered yourself unemployable.

To be more accurate, its comparable to a male member of Social Services Child Protection team doing this.

There are many people working in Social Services Child Protection departments who do not have direct contact with children & families eg providing admin, HR, legal, IT, maintenance work etc

All would be trained and aware of the additional Safeguarding principles which apply to this work environment.
Employees conduct would always be considered wihin this context because of the implications. Same with schools etc the impact in a service or organisation supporting children is completely & specifically different to other workplaces.

I bet legally this behaviour is very difficult to condemn. Not a sackable offence. In fact brave and liberated.
Society has changed to normalise and accept extreme sexualised behaviour and many people like JCub are immersed in an online world full of it, supported by many people who don’t want boundaries.

It may be that this will be a test of the strength of NSPCC employment policies & judgement.

Employment policies & ethos in organisations engaged in Child Protection should be able to resist the pushing of sexual boundaries by adult employees.

The difference is context.
Its the NSPCC, a childrens charity whose purpose is the Safeguarding of children.

Yes, of course, that's obvious. I am just saying that masturbation in the toilets and then telling people about it was not that unusual amongst men working where I have worked (the same industry that produces all the 50y old AGPs of course). I never thought it was appropriate and it used to make me feel uncomfortable, never mind filming it and publishing it, or indeed getting a sexual kick about it being in a children's charity (really concerning).

But as one of the main wankers was the manager, no one really gave a shit what the lone woman in the office thought about it. Oh and then the next manager split from his wife, hated women, and took photos of women he had spent the night with from Tinder asleep, naked and bought them in to show his mates in the office to help him rate her.

This is what happens when you put people (well let's be honest, men) in offices, away from the public, with no proper external scrutiny or accountability.

Even nice people are able to have really, really shitty boundaries. The stupid polarisation of humans into 'goodies' and 'baddies' is precisely why we need safeguarding.

How is this not blindingly obvious?

How many walls are left that I have not yet banged my head against?

This was in a London investment bank

Merchant Bankers ???

Why isn’t this all over the news?

Because it never is until the dam is broken and there is no other choice. Because the horrible truth is that society will turn its head away from the abuse of children (and women) for as long as possible. It's unpalatable so everyone pretends they can't see until there is absolutely no other choice.

Why did it take so long for the Catholic priest scandal to break? The Oxfam scandal? The on-street grooming scandal? The Savile scandal? All the other scandals?

Because there are none so blind as those who won't see.

And that's why the pitchforks come out when finally they are forced to see. It's the assuaging of guilt for refusing to look in the first place.

Ha!!

Well they were all wankers ....

A few years ago the NSPCC asked MN volunteers to sign up for various different internet sites and check how easy it was to join and what age checks were in place. I was one of those volunteers, how quickly things have changed, the seem to have forgotten about safe guarding.

I used to work for a children's charity. It was mandatory that every employee, in all departments, undertook safeguarding training as part of the induction process.

I have also worked in professional offices where women were a tiny minority. Never once I have I heard or been told second hand that anyone of any sexual orientation has just disappeared to pleasure themselves in a workplace toilet.

NSPCC oh so casually state this, about Childline, on their website -

an approximately 80% increase in the number of views of its gender identity webpage in the last year

80 percent increase in one year? No alarm bells?

Please tell me this shit is not going to get a whole lot worse before it's exposed. (Bahaha, exposed, sorry not sorry).

I'm sorry, I still can't get over, besides the general safeguarding stuff, how there can be people shrugging their shoulders about a man masturbating at work and filming it.
It is indefensible, whether you have direct contact with kids or not. I don't care what you do sexually, with the usual caveats, in your own home. But having a wank isn't like having a poo. It's not an absolute must do physical activity for health and hygiene reasons.

If you need to do it at work, you are someone with serious compulsion/self control issues, and you need discipline, in all bloody senses of the word.

But as one of the main wankers was the manager, no one really gave a shit what the lone woman in the office thought about it. Oh and then the next manager split from his wife, hated women, and took photos of women he had spent the night with from Tinder asleep, naked and bought them in to show his mates in the office to help him rate her.

Bloody hell calpop Im so sorry that you had to work in an environment like that where such appalling misogynistic atitudes were normalised.

LangCleg - I don't think you're entirely right about why this isn't all over the news. Papers like the Mail normally love a story about charity wrongdoing. (Look at the huge coverage they gave the Kids Company scandal.) Most of the tabloids relish a story that involves kinky sex and misbehaviour. I think the reason they're not publishing this at the moment is most likely to be a legal one - so far it's all hearsay on the internet.

This appeared in my Twitter feed.

I actually cannot imagine a workplace where this is not gross misconduct at least. It is nothing to do with transphobic or homophobic - it is quite simply inappropriate for anyone to do this.

I am going to have to stop reading social media - it is literally hurting my head.

I agree that it raises questions whether the NSPCC is fit for purpose. They certainly will not be getting any of my money.

You know, as horrifying as it is, to make amateur fetish porn videos in the toilets at work, I’m equally as horrified by a man going to work with rubber gear under his clothes. Yet again, we have a man bringing unsuspecting people into his fetish. Getting off on the thrill of chatting to colleagues knowing that they don’t know what’s under his shirt. THAT is bad enough.

Quite apart from anything else - if you're doing your job properly, who has the TIME to wank at work??

You’ve reminded me of the Big Train “office wanking” sketch

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4

The video stuff broke relatively late last night. Any press with decent journalism ethics and standards will want a response from the NSPCC at the very least. That’s not going to be possible until they’ve figured out what to say! And lawyers will be over this too. So I’m not surprised it’s not being reported ... yet. But if it isn’t covered then there’s a serious question why not.

The part of my brain that stubbornly/stupidly believes the world is still a sane and rational place knows this cannot be right in any possible way and it will be dealt with swiftly and decisively.

If you prefer to look at it this way:

The investigation into child sexual abuse, if conducted properly, would literally run full time, forever, and still never get to the depths of the depravity that people who have got themselves in positions of power over children, are into. It would just never ever end.

Anyone putting themselves forward for a position of power over kids, is the wrong person for that job.

Anyone covering up safeguarding, like the NSPCC have done in relation to the rights of girls to be free of males in their spaces, is the wrong person for that job.

Just look at the people putting their lives and careers at risk to try and safeguard kids. And they get the abuse and harassment from 'woke' types for doing so. From the likes of the NSPCC. I saw that the people at the NSPCC using a TERFblocker. What the fucking fuck?

'Kinkshaming disguised as feminism' I saw today.

I mean fuck me. What the fuck is going on?