Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

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Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

Oh Munroe. How nice of you to force gender on us and insist that you are not 'oppressioning' us.

Article 'Rape Survivors are Transphobic Terfs.
So Are Lesbians, Vaginas, Women’s sports, and well literally everything female.'

by Olivia Broustra

I want you to imagine being a female rape survivor.
You go to a crisis shelter to recover.
You walk into your bedroom and shared spaces and are met with a male body, deep masculine voice, still functioning penis.
You express concerns because well, this is a women’s shelter. Made for women who have experienced violence at the hands of males.
You get called bigot and forced to leave.
That’s what is happening to women now.
Some have even experienced assault by these males in women’s shelters." (continues)

archive.fo/wiqHs#selection-213.0-237.70

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3485679-Olivia-Broustra-Rape-Survivors-are-Transphobic-Terfs

The organisers of London Women's March might take more seriously their responsibility for their choice of speaker and 'leader'.

Re Munroe's 'theory'... I've got a theory Munroe doesn't have the faintest idea how women feel about being called 'cis'.

Re Munroe's 'theory'... I've got a theory Munroe doesn't have the faintest idea how women feel about being called 'cis'

If I'm a former menustrator, Munroe is either an ejaculator or a former ejacualator. Let's see how that goes.

No, KindOfAGeek, the qualifier ‚former‘ is clearly unnecessary, when you talk about ejaculators. Remember that womensmarch london did not use such a qualifier for women who were probably menopausal. So, ejaculator works just fine for individuals formerly (before words lost their meanings that is) known as males.

Deep

I'm all for tit for tat. Saw yet another comment on that twitter thread about how TW do indeed menstruate because they have cramps.

Almost as if this movement that wants to refer to women by their bodily functions has no idea about how woman's bodily functions (ie, female biology) works....

"That's wind, love. Eat some bran flakes."

Re Munroe's 'theory'... I've got a theory Munroe doesn't have the faintest idea how women feel about being called 'cis'.

In Munroe's world you can only have no gender identity if you pinky swear that most other people have binary gender identities. Non-binary/gender queer/two spirit inside the tent. Gender critical outside the tent.

Human males who claim that they are women, these people are attracted to women's shelters and women only spaces in the same way that pedophiles are drawn to the Catholic priesthood

They are predators drawn towards prey

Sophie Walker's statement today on her decision to stand down from WEP leadership
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3486138-Sophie-Walker-stands-down-as-leader-of-WEP

Jo Bartosch (see Critical Sisters ) article in Spiked:

'Why did trans women lead the Women’s March?
It would be like Rachel Dolezal addressing a Black Lives Matter rally.'

"If the ‘transracial’ Rachel Dolezal were to give a keynote speech at a Black Lives Matter event there would rightly be an outcry. And yet this year the ‘Women’s March’ in London was fronted by someone who has identified as a woman for less time than I’ve had the shoes I’m wearing. Munroe Bergdorf is a transgender model who was chosen to speak by the London chapter of the global Women’s March. In a baffling address Bergdorf offered insights into Brexit, austerity and womanhood. The crowd cheered as Bergdorf explained that laws preventing brothel-keeping were bad for women and that the British media is transphobic. There was an irony in Bergdorf’s amplified and male-sounding voice proclaiming that ‘all women must have a voice’.

Like many longstanding feminist campaigners, I didn’t attend the Women’s March this year. A friend, who asked to remain anonymous, did lend her support to the march in Manchester. She explained how she felt hearing a trans woman on the stage at the Manchester march stating that ‘trans women are women’:

‘These empty statements might raise a cheer from the hard of thinking. But anyone with the smallest understanding of feminism knows that trans women are male, and their interests are different from those of women. As a rape survivor, and as someone who has worked in the women’s sector for years, I want someone on that stage who will support the right of women like me to have space away from men, regardless of how they identify. In their efforts to be inclusive organisers, they are excluding women who do not toe the current politically correct line. The “Women’s March” is a misnomer, it isn’t for women like me.’

This experience underlines something important. One of the most insidious battles women face is against the social pressure to be ‘nice’. We police each other and are judged far more harshly if we put ourselves and our interests first. It is clear that the organisers of the Women’s March have broken under this burden. They have published an incoherent list of ‘Values and Principles’ comprised of 1,479 inclusive-sounding words that mean nothing. Far from being about the liberation of women from patriarchy, it seems the Women’s March wants to tackle everything from the economy to police brutality. As it has long been noted, women are the only group who are not allowed to centre themselves in their own liberation.

To be fair, Bergdorf must be something of an expert in womanhood by now. Last year, the 31-year-old was also invited as the keynote speaker at the ‘Woman With A Camera’ event at the British Film Institute, despite not having any directing or producer credits. Bergdorf is following in the footsteps of other transgender activists who have represented women at women’s events. A growing list of recent examples include Shon Faye hosting the Women Making History event at Amnesty International UK; Paris Lees winning the Words by Women journalism prize, before appearing on the cover of Vogue as one of the ‘New Suffragettes’; and Rachel McKinnon winning in the world of women’s cycling. It seems trans women make much better and more inclusive representatives of women than boring old vagina-havers."

www.spiked-online.com/2019/01/23/why-did-trans-women-lead-the-womens-march/

See also Jo Bartosch's previous article December 2018
'Transgenderism: a fetish that got out of hand?
Some trans women get a kick out of cross-dressing.'
www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/10/transgenderism-a-fetish-that-got-out-of-hand/

there was a thread discussing this but it was deleted. Just as with the thread discussing Sue Dionym's article about the need to raise awareness and discuss autogynaephilia especially within LGBT+ communities:
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

Julie Bindel Telegraph: 'Not all menstruators are women? This madness has to stop'
concludes:
"A tweet by Women’s March London, the annual protest that took place last weekend, claims that: “As a trans inclusive and intersectional group we try to use inclusive language when talking about issues of biology. This guide from @PeriodPositive explains why we chose to use the word ‘menstruator’… about the tampon tax.”

A flowchart (guffaw) from the ‘Queeriods Campaign’ by the Centre for Sexual Pleasure and Health (CSPH), says that its aim is to educate people on, ‘How to include menstruators of all genders’.

According to campaign group Period Positive, “Not all women menstruate, and not all menstruators are women”. It sounds like a woke parody from Private Eye, but unfortunately it is only too real.

The transgender extremists and their supporters peddle some barmy views: that men can get pregnant, for example, and that boys can get periods. We women are told to use certain terms to describe our bodies, such as ”chest feeding”, and ”front hole”, so as not to exclude or offend transgender people.

There is even a view that transgender women (biological men) should be able to breastfeed babies, and a call to refer to pregnant women as “pregnant people”.

Women’s hard-won rights are being eroded by sexist men telling us they understand what it is to be women - and a number of young feminists are swallowing it.

As someone who has long been a target of vicious bullying from the trans lobby, I understand only too well why some young feminists are too scared to challenge this Orwellian madness.

I stand firm in my view that the extreme end of transgender ideology is pure misogyny, promoted for the benefit of men. And I have been accused of ‘hate crime’, 'bigotry' and no-platformed from a number of universities and other public venues by the blue-fringed student brigade.

At the same time, I receive emails and private messages every week from female students and other young women, telling me that they agree with me.

These young women need our help. Women is not an offensive term. We should NEVER be reduced to a bodily function.

Men do not get periods, and neither do trans women. Shouldn’t this be bleeding obvious?"

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/not-menstruators-women-madness-has-stop/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3486548-Not-all-menstruators-are-women-This-madness-has-to-stop-Julie-Bindel

Excellent article by feminist campaigner Jo Bartosch in Spiked:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/01/23/why-did-trans-women-lead-the-womens-march/amp/?twitterrimpression=true&fbclid=IwAR2NSQehYvmebntQY9TI7nmmxkZvO-ugccv1UiqvFGzvhiMXuJXUHL4jfI

Sorry R0, missed your post.