Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

[stumbledin]

Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

Carers. Fuck autocorrect.

It's not mine.

I copied it and failed to get authorisation.

I'm a bad gleepgloop. 😢

Gleepglorp, even.

WTF IS a gleepglorp, WTFisagleepglorp?

I’m very struck by how much of what passes for left these days wants a politics without actual politics. They just want to be right. And to be seen to be right, and in their rightness, convert others to rightness.It’s all a moral crusade, not a politics. There’s no actual engagement with power.

Very perceptive.

And I love the term "Woko Haram", though I need to be pedantic for a moment: "haram" means "forbidden". (Yes, I know that it has various interpretations but the root h-r-m refers to something that is forbidden, like a harem).

Ahem. As you were.

"Woko Haram", though I need to be pedantic for a moment: "haram" means "forbidden".

Quite apt in an era where the woke try to forbid women from talking about their sexed bodies, or even displaying the definition of 'woman'

Most Twitter comments not at all impressed by MB's 'baby girl' claim. No surprise but glad people are saying so.

Baby girl. Wtaf
So much wrong with that

The song they sang was written by James Oppenheim. His wife divorced him when he wrote a book called Idle Wives.

How feminist!

Not only the women that you know but complete strangers

Unless presumably they are a Terf or a Tory or somebody wanting to discuss anti-semitism, in which case you can just call them scum.

I think concepts of 'comradeship' and 'sisterhood' can easily be perverted so that anybody on the same 'team' has to be protected, regardless of their behaviour and everybody outside the tent is irrelevant.

'Inclusivity' becomes almost meaningless. Linda Bellos and Julie Bindel are out because they don't follow the party line while JC is 'in' despite being straight, white, male and middle class because he talks vaguely about being an ally.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/03/far-left-no-place-feminists-rape

"Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome"
Sentences like this make me want to get a red pen out.
"Bread and Roses is for all people & we hope that everyone feels safe and welcome"

On Twitter, there was a thread about a womens' bookshop that announced it was 'trans-inclusive' and wanted to be a 'safe place' for all trans people.
Err, they're a shop. So they should be customer-inclusive and providing a 'safe space' for everyone, surely? In other words "All Welcome!"

I saw that too. It was bizarre.

They weren't inclusive of women whom they termed 'so-called feminsists' and asked questions of their policy.
Much blocking & I wondered if they might know the pub in Macclesfield that banned a woman for wearing a T shirt.

It wasn't clear if these exclusions woud apply to their stock, customers or just twiter followers.
Its fair to say the majority of the canon of women's writing and female authors understand woman to be an adult human female.
(Second Shelf books London?)

TRAs would insist that one use a space so that trans is to women as tall, rich, old etc usually along with an explanation that all women have different lived experiences etc etc

MN do not insist on the space.

I use transwomen.

The terminology is ever shifting - the space added to transwoman is to allow TW to be a category of woman & then brings in the whole 'cis' nonsense as though women are a category of women - it's now shifted to 'woman with a trans history' as the push is now that the end point of transition is for that individual to 'become female' as described in the fucked up definition of 'woman' in the Gender Equal Representation on Public Boards bill that was sneaked in without any consultation with women. A man can 'become female' by the power of self declaration alone & the whole thing is fucked up.

TWAW utterly ignores and minimises the experience of “transition” and is just rude imo.

It also ignores and minimises the experience and reality of being a woman.

I've just found this: www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2018/mar/03/womens-liberation-movement-march-1971-in-pictures
It's a gallery of photos of the first Womens March, in 1971, in London. Just look at their banners and placards, all about womens' issues - contraception, childcare, abortion, equal pay, equal treatment. The contrast with yesterday's Womens All-Inclusive March is astounding.

(Second Shelf books London?)
Yes, that was the one. Wonder if their 'making a safe place' policy means chucking out all the books by "old irrelevant T*RFs" like Germaine Greer, Andrea Dworkins etc?

One of the organisers of the women's march tried the 'shit on those below' approach to a challenge on having manroe speaking at the event - the usual lazy accusations of transphobia included - but I think @IndyLeya served her back her arse on a plate

https://twitter.com/indy_leya/status/1086970484082774017?s=21

Oh and here's another gratuitous virtue signalling tweet - they're a fucking joke https://twitter.com/womensmarchlon/status/1086919703245791232?s=21

March organisers getting shit (rightly) on Twitter for calling actual women menstruators.

“Fun history lesson - when the UK joined the eu it had a limited time to choose which products could remain tax free before everything had to have vat on it. In 1973 there were 23 menstruators in parliament. So really the tampon tax is an issue of political representation.”

Quite apart from that, the chutzpah of complaining about women’s political representation when you are trying to undermine women’s political organisation and limit women’s political freedom is really quite something.

Do you know, I have no time at all for Bergdorf and their homophobia and plastic feminism. But I have even less for the organisers of women's march who make turkeys voting for Christmas look like a considered opinion

X-posted BFG!