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Not all menstruators are women? This madness has to stop | Julie Bindel

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Feminist4areason · 22/01/2019 14:54

Article from the rather excellent Julie Bindel in response to the supposedly Women's March in London!

JULIE BINDEL

21 JANUARY 2019 • 5:11PM

Not all menstruators are women? This madness has to stop

"Some years ago, I wrote about a store called Transformations in London, where men who wished to dress as women could shop. Not only were there corsets, wigs and ball gowns on display, but also pills that promised to ‘produce the symptoms of pre-menstrual tension’.

The idea that anyone would want to feel depressed, bloated and sore flummoxed me at first, until I realised that the pills would merely act as a placebo in order to add a little frisson to the experience of cross-dressing. How long ago this seems.

Today, we are told "men have periods, too” and “not all menstruators are women”. Take Kenny, a transgender man, chosen to front the I’m On campaign by period subscription box company Pink Parcel last year, which aimed to destigmatise menstruation.

Kenny had not had a period for seven years, as a result of taking testosterone – the primary sex hormone in men. Kenny says he felt ‘shame and embarrassment’ at having periods while living as a man, so why have him front an anti-stigma campaign?

Having a trans man head up any campaign about menstruation is akin to having a gay man who has “chosen” to go straight being a front for an education campaign about homophobia.

The latest madness comes in the shape of a new campaign that names those that have periods as “menstruators”.

A tweet by Women’s March London, the annual protest that took place last weekend, claims that: “As a trans inclusive and intersectional group we try to use inclusive language when talking about issues of biology. This guide from @PeriodPositive explains why we chose to use the word ‘menstruator’… about the tampon tax.”

A flowchart (guffaw) from the ‘Queeriods Campaign’ by the Centre for Sexual Pleasure and Health (CSPH), says that its aim is to educate people on, ‘How to include menstruators of all genders’.

According to campaign group Period Positive, “Not all women menstruate, and not all menstruators are women”. It sounds like a woke parody from Private Eye, but unfortunately it is only too real.

The transgender extremists and their supporters peddle some barmy views: that men can get pregnant, for example, and that boys can get periods. We women are told to use certain terms to describe our bodies, such as ”chest feeding”, and ”front hole”, so as not to exclude or offend transgender people.

There is even a view that transgender women (biological men) should be able to breastfeed babies, and a call to refer to pregnant women as “pregnant people”.

Women’s hard-won rights are being eroded by sexist men telling us they understand what it is to be women - and a number of young feminists are swallowing it.

As someone who has long been a target of vicious bullying from the trans lobby, I understand only too well why some young feminists are too scared to challenge this Orwellian madness.

I stand firm in my view that the extreme end of transgender ideology is pure misogyny, promoted for the benefit of men. And I have been accused of ‘hate crime’, 'bigotry' and no-platformed from a number of universities and other public venues by the blue-fringed student brigade.

At the same time, I receive emails and private messages every week from female students and other young women, telling me that they agree with me.

These young women need our help. Women is not an offensive term. We should NEVER be reduced to a bodily function.

Men do not get periods, and neither do trans women. Shouldn’t this be bleeding obvious?"

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VickyEadie · 22/01/2019 15:04

I read some of the comments underneath the article yesterday and had to give up, because the misogyny was depressing.

nauticant · 22/01/2019 15:11

Having a trans man head up any campaign about menstruation is akin to having a gay man who has “chosen” to go straight being a front for an education campaign about homophobia.

It's a bad misstep to conflate trans and sexuality. It's constantly flung at us by TRAs to justify all kinds of nonsense.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/01/2019 15:38

It's a bad misstep to conflate trans and sexuality.

I didn't see any 'conflation' - it's an analogy.Confused

nauticant · 22/01/2019 15:44

I think putting them both together in an argument is a bad idea.

MoreCheeseDear · 22/01/2019 15:56

Support for Julie, we should praise those who aren't afraid to speak out about the craziness.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 16:13

link to Telegraph article www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/not-menstruators-women-madness-has-stop/

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 22/01/2019 17:13

Women’s hard-won rights are being eroded by sexist men telling us they understand what it is to be women - and a number of young feminists are swallowing it.

I agree with this. Feminist who do have women's and girl's best interest at heart, seem to be falling over themselves to appeal to sexist men at the expense of women and girls.

Like Cariad Lloyd, I'm sure she had good intentions, but used the word 'bleeders' to promote period poverty. How are school girls meant to feel about being called bleeders? How does such language help them?

BlackForestCake · 22/01/2019 20:50

Julie has been busy. She's got an opinion piece in the indy saying women should stop wearing makeup.

Maybe she has a point and women should leave makeup and high heels and suchlike uncomfortable nonsense to the men who want to wear them.

theOtherPamAyres · 23/01/2019 10:09

The corporate world will be watching the reaction to terms like 'menstruators' very closely. They are so inclusive and broad-minded that they won't see anything remotely wrong with reducing females to their bodily functions. What could possibly go wrong?

That's why we have to make a noise, push against it, each and every time. They might start to realise that their liberal feminist advisers and focus groups can't read the room today. There has been a shift and it's coming from the grassroots of ordinary women.

R0wantrees · 23/01/2019 11:04

Jo Bartosch (see Critical Sisters ) article in Spiked:

'Why did trans women lead the Women’s March?
It would be like Rachel Dolezal addressing a Black Lives Matter rally.'

"If the ‘transracial’ Rachel Dolezal were to give a keynote speech at a Black Lives Matter event there would rightly be an outcry. And yet this year the ‘Women’s March’ in London was fronted by someone who has identified as a woman for less time than I’ve had the shoes I’m wearing. Munroe Bergdorf is a transgender model who was chosen to speak by the London chapter of the global Women’s March. In a baffling address Bergdorf offered insights into Brexit, austerity and womanhood. The crowd cheered as Bergdorf explained that laws preventing brothel-keeping were bad for women and that the British media is transphobic. There was an irony in Bergdorf’s amplified and male-sounding voice proclaiming that ‘all women must have a voice’.

Like many longstanding feminist campaigners, I didn’t attend the Women’s March this year. A friend, who asked to remain anonymous, did lend her support to the march in Manchester. She explained how she felt hearing a trans woman on the stage at the Manchester march stating that ‘trans women are women’:

‘These empty statements might raise a cheer from the hard of thinking. But anyone with the smallest understanding of feminism knows that trans women are male, and their interests are different from those of women. As a rape survivor, and as someone who has worked in the women’s sector for years, I want someone on that stage who will support the right of women like me to have space away from men, regardless of how they identify. In their efforts to be inclusive organisers, they are excluding women who do not toe the current politically correct line. The “Women’s March” is a misnomer, it isn’t for women like me.’

This experience underlines something important. One of the most insidious battles women face is against the social pressure to be ‘nice’. We police each other and are judged far more harshly if we put ourselves and our interests first. It is clear that the organisers of the Women’s March have broken under this burden. They have published an incoherent list of ‘Values and Principles’ comprised of 1,479 inclusive-sounding words that mean nothing. Far from being about the liberation of women from patriarchy, it seems the Women’s March wants to tackle everything from the economy to police brutality. As it has long been noted, women are the only group who are not allowed to centre themselves in their own liberation.

To be fair, Bergdorf must be something of an expert in womanhood by now. Last year, the 31-year-old was also invited as the keynote speaker at the ‘Woman With A Camera’ event at the British Film Institute, despite not having any directing or producer credits. Bergdorf is following in the footsteps of other transgender activists who have represented women at women’s events. A growing list of recent examples include Shon Faye hosting the Women Making History event at Amnesty International UK; Paris Lees winning the Words by Women journalism prize, before appearing on the cover of Vogue as one of the ‘New Suffragettes’; and Rachel McKinnon winning in the world of women’s cycling. It seems trans women make much better and more inclusive representatives of women than boring old vagina-havers."

www.spiked-online.com/2019/01/23/why-did-trans-women-lead-the-womens-march/

See also Jo Bartosch's previous article December 2018
'Transgenderism: a fetish that got out of hand?
Some trans women get a kick out of cross-dressing.'
www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/10/transgenderism-a-fetish-that-got-out-of-hand/

there was a thread discussing this but it was deleted. Just as with the thread discussing Sue Dionym's article about the need to raise awareness and discuss autogynaephilia especially within LGBT+ communities:
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

HumberElla · 23/01/2019 11:15

Kenny says he felt ‘shame and embarrassment’ at having periods while living as a man, so why have him front an anti-stigma campaign?

Mind. Boggled.

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