Telegraph article 'NHS trans row as men get access to women's wards if they identify as female'

[R0wantrees]

(extract)

"Hospitals routinely allow male patients to share female wards if they self-identify as women, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

Despite official guidance intended to eliminate mixed sex wards, none of the NHS trusts in England require a patient to have begun transition for them to be treated as their preferred sex, according to responses to more than 100 Freedom of Information requests.

One trust even advises staff to consult with the transgender patient if a female victim of sexual assault objects to sharing facilities with someone who may be biologically and legally male.

The NHS is unable to track how many transgender people are accommodated on wards for the opposite sex because data systems record them as their “preferred” sex.

The Department of Health’s “elimination of mixed sex wards” guidance upon which individual trusts must base their policies says that “men and women should not have to share sleeping accommodation or toilet/bathroom facilities”. But the document adds, “except where it is in the overall best interests of the patient or reflects their patient choice”.

As a result, a physically intact male has the right to choose to be treated on a ward for women that is simultaneously declared to be single sex." (continues)

The Telegraph has been contacted by a nurse at a city hospital with a report of a patient identifying as a transgender woman who appeared to become sexually aroused on a female ward, causing distress to a group of elderly patients.

The incident raises concerns about the lack of “equality impact assessments” (EIAs) that should be undertaken by law to determine the effect on all groups that may be affected by transgender policy changes. EIAs seen by The Telegraph appear to have taken into account the impact only on transgender patients rather than on others who should also be considered because of their sex, age or religion." (continues)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/10/nhs-trans-row-men-get-access-womens-wards-identify-female/

This will have serious implications now it is becoming public knowledge.
see important article by Anne Harper-Wright & thread:

October 2018 'Sex, Gender & the NHS
Part 1: The “Single-Sex Hospital Wards” that have always been a lie'

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

@DubBeGoodToMe no I didn't, that's just how you read it, says more about you than it does about me TBH

howls exactly.

I work in a NHS hospital and I don't get the fuss. Pure judgement from you all, I forgot that all men are rapist and all men are sexually aroused 24 hours a day.

I hope to God I'm never anywhere near your hospital on your shift.

no I didn't, that's just how you read it, says more about you than it does about me TBH

Dosmamas Excuse me it’s just my inner laddishness coming out and doing a bit of banter. My thoughts aren’t as delicate and feminine as they should be, I’m a poor excuse for a lady.

DubBeGoodToMe
Beep, beep,beep.
"Sorry Dubs, you're not feminine enough to enter this hospital ward. Go and apply some lippy and try again."

Dress and act more feminine than most females around them

It isn’t a fucking competition you know

@sackrifice ahh yes, one persons experience is the whole trans community.

Trans women literally ARE men, and men are an actual threat [as a class] to women as demonstrated in that one example. There are hundreds/thousands/millions more examples of men being a threat to women, from ensuring female babies are aborted through to men who murder their partners. A very quick google will educate you on many aspects of male violence. I hope this has helped you.

I always carry a stick of lippy with me just in case have to “feminine up”.

Very quickly as about to go out, but chipping in to say utter bollocks about visiting hours - a&e normally have no specified 'visiting hours' and many patients there will have someone with them. Whereas many many inpatient wards have fixed hours - eg cardiac, neurology, gynae, kidney etc usually c2hrs per day in the afternoon. No idea where you work dosmamas but it's precisely the opposite in the three London and Kent hospitals I have extensive experience of.

Pandamodium

That’s horrific.

This subject is about to be debated on LBC if anyone is interested

I work in a NHS hospital and I don't get the fuss. Pure judgement from you all, I forgot that all men are rapist and all men are sexually aroused 24 hours a day.

There were 900 incidents of sexual assault or harassment on NHS wards over a period of just 3 months. Do you actually give a shit about that, or is it just women making a fuss?

Debbie Hayton on LBC now. Doing very well in all fairness, to get the specific issues women are concerned about across clearly.

Good job Debbie.

Thanks @FloralBunting. My mind went a total blank at the start and I got his name wrong. #mortified.

I did have a wry chuckle at that, tbh. You got his name wrong and nobody exploded

But no, very good, really. I actually respected how careful you were in response to his question about whether you are a woman, and how you made sure that the comfort and concerns of vulnerable women being dismissed was entirely wrong.

I think this is my favorite "shut up, you evil witches!" comment ever.

Such a pathetic childish way to think, they are not men with beards in female wards, they are men who wear makeup.

Did you know that when you put on some eyeliner your penis stops working? Someone ought to tell the members of Kiss and Motley Crue, or ask them for the recipe for the antidote that they've had all these years.

And thanks for the illustration of the fact that the answer to the question "who supports this nonsense?" is "raging sexists who're angry that women aren't being feminine enough for their liking".

Paul 'my body is a temple' Stanley.

Er, no thanks. Put that tongue away and eat your tea, there's a love.

Thank you for at least not posting a pic of Gene, who seems to be part lizard based on tongue length.

This scares the shit out of me, partly because I know women on hospital wards are being put at risk if literally any man can say he’s a woman and be put on a female ward. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that some sexual predators will take advantage, does it?
And partly because I know that if this happens on my ward, I’ll have to speak up to protect my patients (doesn’t matter to me who they are, or how they identify, I’m required to advocate in their best interests, and this is obviously especially important if they’re being put at risk due to members of the opposite sex being mixed together where people are vulnerable) and my job will be at risk because of this absolute madness.

Such a pathetic childish way to think, they are not men with beards in female wards, they are men who wear makeup

Hilarious! Such nuance makes all the difference.

I caught the end of Debbie's bit on LBC, after wrestling with the radioplayer thing! Good work

Thank you for at least not posting a pic of Gene, who seems to be part lizard based on tongue length

Give me some credit.

to you, SlowlyShrinking. Thank you for being prepared to take personal risks to defend your patients.

Slowly

It can't be easy balancing risks and needs. The guidance and safeguarding guidance is supposed to be there to help you get it right. I hope people who sign this stuff off start listening and using their brains soon.

I know men who wear makeup. Some of them I'm very fond of, but I'm still not showering with them at the swimming pool!