Telegraph article 'NHS trans row as men get access to women's wards if they identify as female'

[R0wantrees]

(extract)

"Hospitals routinely allow male patients to share female wards if they self-identify as women, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

Despite official guidance intended to eliminate mixed sex wards, none of the NHS trusts in England require a patient to have begun transition for them to be treated as their preferred sex, according to responses to more than 100 Freedom of Information requests.

One trust even advises staff to consult with the transgender patient if a female victim of sexual assault objects to sharing facilities with someone who may be biologically and legally male.

The NHS is unable to track how many transgender people are accommodated on wards for the opposite sex because data systems record them as their “preferred” sex.

The Department of Health’s “elimination of mixed sex wards” guidance upon which individual trusts must base their policies says that “men and women should not have to share sleeping accommodation or toilet/bathroom facilities”. But the document adds, “except where it is in the overall best interests of the patient or reflects their patient choice”.

As a result, a physically intact male has the right to choose to be treated on a ward for women that is simultaneously declared to be single sex." (continues)

The Telegraph has been contacted by a nurse at a city hospital with a report of a patient identifying as a transgender woman who appeared to become sexually aroused on a female ward, causing distress to a group of elderly patients.

The incident raises concerns about the lack of “equality impact assessments” (EIAs) that should be undertaken by law to determine the effect on all groups that may be affected by transgender policy changes. EIAs seen by The Telegraph appear to have taken into account the impact only on transgender patients rather than on others who should also be considered because of their sex, age or religion." (continues)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/10/nhs-trans-row-men-get-access-womens-wards-identify-female/

This will have serious implications now it is becoming public knowledge.
see important article by Anne Harper-Wright & thread:

October 2018 'Sex, Gender & the NHS
Part 1: The “Single-Sex Hospital Wards” that have always been a lie'

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

about time it was morein the public domain and conciousness.

So no rights for actual women now. The Ts have to get their wishes given priority over everyone else's. Brave staff member for speaking out

This is not for the benefit of women. Anyone enabling this should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

I'm so angry about this. Trans feelz trumping women's rights and safety again! How traumatic to be ill in hospital and find yourself on a female ward with a sexually aroused man. Disgusting and frightening. But who cares about women's feelings??

Will a few more men finally get involved in this issue now? When their female relatives are in hospital being flashed and harassed by an AGP?

Well done to the staff member who went to the press. And good for the Telegraph.

Why are so many decisions which negatively impact women's safety being made without women being considered?

Is it by design or in ignorance?

“men and women should not have to share sleeping accommodation or toilet/bathroom facilities [...] except where it is in the overall best interests of the patient or reflects their patient choice”.

I am seeing similar everywhere at the moment. This sentence, about "their" choice/preference/request, with not even a cursory mention of the women around them who, as a class, have expressed a clear choice/preference/request and NEED to have it as a single-sex space.

The NHS is so culpable with all of this. Repeatedly putting women at risk when at their most vulnerable.

One trust even advises staff to consult with the transgender patient if a female victim of sexual assault objects to sharing facilities with someone who may be biologically and legally male.

Hold on one fucking minute! Are they actually going to tell a man who says he a female, that an actual female on the ward he wants to be on, is a victim of sexual abuse? Tell me I’ve misunderstood this! I would be fucking furious if I knew my private information was being discussed. And I don’t give a shit if they didn’t mention my name. My abuse is not fucking up for discussion. We really are collateral damage, aren’t we!

Surely that's only ever going to just be massively unpopular and intolerable to most people?

“The Telegraph has been contacted by a nurse at a city hospital with a report of a patient identifying as a transgender woman who appeared to become sexually aroused on a female ward, causing distress to a group of elderly patients.”

FFS.

Well done, that nurse.

“The NHS is unable to track how many transgender people are accommodated on wards for the opposite sex because data systems record them as their “preferred” sex.”

This is beyond surreal. The NHS says HOSPITALS, with medical notes, cannot distinguish between biological men and women!

"Single Sex Hospital Wards have always been Single Gender Wards. We were lied to from the beginning. Purposefully. Here's the evidence from NHS documents."

mobile.twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052296768115888128

So many patients are elderly. Cant we just allow them their dignity.

It's the front page lead. Not just a story.

That's horrible. Seriously, just the idea, the possibility that if my nan had to share a hospital room with a male, while she's ill or injured enough to be in hospital, just..no. Fuck that. Fuck it right off.

Just saw that; hooray for it being on the front page.

I like that they've written men get access to women's wards. Not 'transwomen'. Tell it like it is.

see also with regards Mental Health wards:

January 2017
'Lancaster mum with “fear of men” locked on hospital ward with transgender patient'
(extract)
A Lancaster mum whose bi-polar disorder left her believing men were conspiring to kill her said she was left terrified when she was locked on a women’s psychiatric ward with an “extremely male-bodied” transgender patient. Philippa Molloy, 42, said she was “genuinely, absolutely terrified” because she had suffered a relapse in her condition that made her irrationally terrified of men – including her own husband.

When she raised her concerns with hospital staff, however, she said she was not taken seriously and her medical notes implied that she was a “transphobic bigot”. She said the NHS had failed to think through the implications of allowing patients to self-identify their gender. The Merry Widow Is Opera's Greatest RomCom A brand new production with English lyrics by Richard Thomas Find out more Promoted by English National Opera “The rights of that trans person to feel safe were put above the rights of me to feel safe as a natal woman,” she said."

www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/lancaster-mum-with-fear-of-men-locked-on-hospital-ward-with-transgender-patient-1-8963648

relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297578-NHS-confuse-sex-and-gender-on-advice-about-The-Mental-Health-Act

Important relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

Christ on a bike

I don’t know whether to be horrified by how insanely stupid this is

Or pleased because it’s so stupid it might make the scales fall from government eyes

September 2018 OP Poppyred85 wrote:
“Transwomen should be treated on female wards”

So says Olivia Butterwoth, leader of Patient and Public Voice team at NHS England.
This is a screenshot from the GG Twitter feed linked to on another thread. I noticed the conversation while reading through it.
I don’t know how influential her role is but I find it worrying that the leader of a group representing patients thinks this. I’ve spent enough time working on NHS wards to know how important single sex wards are to women going through gynaecology procedures, miscarriages and early pregnancy complications.
I also know how vulnerable I felt when I was one of those patients and how much I appreciated that the other patients around me were women.
Once again this is about not just safety, but the privacy and dignity of women and our right to sometimes have spaces free from males or male bodies."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3378258--Transwomen-should-be-treated-on-female-wards

This is so disgusting. Why oh why are females not given the status of full human beings? Why are we pawns in men's games? How awful to be very ill and have some man in the bed next to you. This will keep me awake now. Shit

It may be worth sending a short email with a copy of the article & a comment to your MP asap.

This is beyond surreal. The NHS says HOSPITALS, with medical notes, cannot distinguish between biological men and women!

This is the consequnce of trans rights activism. That the marker on records for 'sex' became either 'sex' or preferred 'gender identity'

There are many serious implications including that females who identify are not called for smear tests (and males who identify as transwomen are), Blood donations incorrectly labelled etc

DM has the same story from the same source

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6579807/Men-self-identify-women-routinely-NHS-hospital-wards-females.html

I like that they've written men get access to women's wards. Not 'transwomen'. Tell it like it is.

Yes, I thought exactly that.

Up late after an exhausting evening with teens. Needing to decompress a little. I really shouldn't be on MN and reading this because I won't feckin' sleep at all now.

I know how bloody important single sex wards are. I was sexually assaulted on a mixed sex secure psychiatric ward a good couple of decades ago now. Every time I read this shit it just rips wounds open afresh. No other woman should be put at risk, and no woman should ever have to justify her reasons for wanting dignity.