Telegraph article 'NHS trans row as men get access to women's wards if they identify as female'

[R0wantrees]

(extract)

"Hospitals routinely allow male patients to share female wards if they self-identify as women, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

Despite official guidance intended to eliminate mixed sex wards, none of the NHS trusts in England require a patient to have begun transition for them to be treated as their preferred sex, according to responses to more than 100 Freedom of Information requests.

One trust even advises staff to consult with the transgender patient if a female victim of sexual assault objects to sharing facilities with someone who may be biologically and legally male.

The NHS is unable to track how many transgender people are accommodated on wards for the opposite sex because data systems record them as their “preferred” sex.

The Department of Health’s “elimination of mixed sex wards” guidance upon which individual trusts must base their policies says that “men and women should not have to share sleeping accommodation or toilet/bathroom facilities”. But the document adds, “except where it is in the overall best interests of the patient or reflects their patient choice”.

As a result, a physically intact male has the right to choose to be treated on a ward for women that is simultaneously declared to be single sex." (continues)

The Telegraph has been contacted by a nurse at a city hospital with a report of a patient identifying as a transgender woman who appeared to become sexually aroused on a female ward, causing distress to a group of elderly patients.

The incident raises concerns about the lack of “equality impact assessments” (EIAs) that should be undertaken by law to determine the effect on all groups that may be affected by transgender policy changes. EIAs seen by The Telegraph appear to have taken into account the impact only on transgender patients rather than on others who should also be considered because of their sex, age or religion." (continues)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/10/nhs-trans-row-men-get-access-womens-wards-identify-female/

This will have serious implications now it is becoming public knowledge.
see important article by Anne Harper-Wright & thread:

October 2018 'Sex, Gender & the NHS
Part 1: The “Single-Sex Hospital Wards” that have always been a lie'

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

You can look at your local hospital/health authority guidance and see if they identify the 'protected characteristics' of the Equality Act correctly, and do not conflate gender (not defined) or gender recognition (an entirely different protected characteristic) with sex. Then put it FOI requests to see who contributes/writes their policies. Loads to do

Discussing this elsewhere, met with "trans people are more at risk, they're more likely to be victims than perpetrators"

@Arran, well at least that person wasn't 'misgendered'

Letting people pretend to be the other sex on their medical records is bonkers

Discussing this elsewhere, met with "trans people are more at risk, they're more likely to be victims than perpetrators"

"Victims"? Of the women on the wards they've been put with?

Discussing this elsewhere, met with "trans people are more at risk, they're more likely to be victims than perpetrators"
Less likely to be murdered than any other group in the UK, iirc

Worldwide stats on transwomen in particular skew heavily towards Brazilians and black Americans who are prostituted and who live in high crime areas.
Not white middle class IT workers with AGP.

Do you have a link? They're a very pro trans lot and won't hear of it

There is no requirement for men to actually be transwomen though (leaving aside what that actually means for the time being). Any man can say he wants to go on the women's ward and he's in.

It is a fact that women are overwhelmingly victims of sexual violence perpetrated by men. That's the issue.

Amora: www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Discussing this elsewhere, met with "trans people are more at risk, they're more likely to be victims than perpetrators"

I think this needs another thread to hammer out a simple, plain English, concise rebuttal - if there isn't one already out there - will do myself but have to go now so will review later...

There are no stats that suggest that transwomen are at greater risk of sexual assault than women either. There are lots of self-reported surveys commissioned by the likes of Stonewall who have a vested interest in exaggerating stats to support their funding. These tend to focus on hate crimes but the majority of those are non-violent and not reported to the authorities. Given misgendering is considered a hate crime by some, I also think those figures are very dubious.

I've told this story before on here but I'll retell it for any lurkers.

I woke up to a transwomen wanking next to my face.

Mental health hospital back in 2015, I was in my early twenties and extremely vulnerable indeed not long woken up from a coma. I could scream talk and move away, other women might not be able too.

It DOES happen, it WILL happen and we need to stand up for women who can't for whatever reason stand up for themselves.

I work in a NHS hospital and I don't get the fuss. Pure judgement from you all, I forgot that all men are rapist and all men are sexually aroused 24 hours a day. Such a pathetic childish way to think, they are not men with beards in female wards, they are men who wear makeup. Dress and act more feminine than most females around them. And you are forgetting that when you are in A+E there is no sex segregation! You could be lying for hours/days in between two men or two women.

I work in a NHS hospital and I don't get the fuss. Pure judgement from you all, I forgot that all men are rapist and all men are sexually aroused 24 hours a day

You literally just posted after this:

I woke up to a transwomen wanking next to my face.

You might well be happy to have a man wanking next to your face, most women would actually find that quite disturbing. I pity the women you are throwing under the bus because you don't get it.

they are men who wear makeup. Dress and act more feminine than most females around them.

You Transphobe!!

Dress and act more feminine than most females around them.

Ah that's alright then, as long as we are all going back in time to the Victorian days at lightning speed. Thank God, I can now relax.

Dosmamas take a look at the lovely Alex Drummond. Where would you put him in your hospital? I'm not surprised the TW on the wards are more 'feminine' than us workaday women: they are performing femininity precisely because they are men. Besides all This, the danger comes from men who have discovered they can say the magic words 'I identify as a woman' and be placed alongside vulnerable women. Of course not all men are shits. But plenty are and will take advantage. Did you read the post above about a man wanking in the poster's face?

Datun, come now. All the women on this thread who have spoken about their abuse from men will feel so much better about all this once they know that some men are much more creditably feminine than other women. A man can't possibly be nasty if he has his own hat pins and embroidered hankies.

Praps we should divide the wards into women's awards wards for ladies.

And you are forgetting that when you are in A+E there is no sex segregation! You could be lying for hours/days in between two men or two women.
In my younger days I was in A&E about everything 6 months with either a hand or foot injury due to my main hobby. I was always fully clothed, sat on a bed or chair, having some basic bandaging or x-rays done. As an adult when I was on a hospital ward for an extended stay, with various drips hanging out of me, sponge baths and having to hobble down the corridor to the toilet, I was very grateful to be in a single sex ward.

You could be lying for hours/days in between two men or two women

Aside from the fact that you’ve worded this pevertedlyweirdly, hopefully one isn’t lying between anyone in A&E for days. And if they are - well there’s not a huge amount of privacy in A&E, and that’s putting it mildly. They don’t turn the lights off at night. Very different from inpatient hospital wards.

Also, you know, one of these days I’d like to have my opinion as a woman respected purely because I’m a woman talking about women only spaces, ie spaces originally intended for me. It’s tiresome and a bit sick to have to put forward an argument on the basis that I (and others) have been sexually assaulted in the past. A woman can’t be heard just because she’s a woman, no she has to be a victim in order to have w hope if being heard.

Makes me feel v resentful and cynical. But needs must in order to have a fighting chance against this erosion of our spaces abs rights.

DubBeGoodToMe
You're also likely to be able to have someone you know by your bedside the whole time you're there. A&E don't really do 'visting hours'

justanolderman

It’s good to hear from a gender critical man. Thank you for commenting, and please spread the word to all the men you know!

@sackrifice ahh yes, one persons experience is the whole trans community.