Telegraph article 'NHS trans row as men get access to women's wards if they identify as female'

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"Hospitals routinely allow male patients to share female wards if they self-identify as women, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

Despite official guidance intended to eliminate mixed sex wards, none of the NHS trusts in England require a patient to have begun transition for them to be treated as their preferred sex, according to responses to more than 100 Freedom of Information requests.

One trust even advises staff to consult with the transgender patient if a female victim of sexual assault objects to sharing facilities with someone who may be biologically and legally male.

The NHS is unable to track how many transgender people are accommodated on wards for the opposite sex because data systems record them as their “preferred” sex.

The Department of Health’s “elimination of mixed sex wards” guidance upon which individual trusts must base their policies says that “men and women should not have to share sleeping accommodation or toilet/bathroom facilities”. But the document adds, “except where it is in the overall best interests of the patient or reflects their patient choice”.

As a result, a physically intact male has the right to choose to be treated on a ward for women that is simultaneously declared to be single sex." (continues)

The Telegraph has been contacted by a nurse at a city hospital with a report of a patient identifying as a transgender woman who appeared to become sexually aroused on a female ward, causing distress to a group of elderly patients.

The incident raises concerns about the lack of “equality impact assessments” (EIAs) that should be undertaken by law to determine the effect on all groups that may be affected by transgender policy changes. EIAs seen by The Telegraph appear to have taken into account the impact only on transgender patients rather than on others who should also be considered because of their sex, age or religion." (continues)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/10/nhs-trans-row-men-get-access-womens-wards-identify-female/

This will have serious implications now it is becoming public knowledge.
see important article by Anne Harper-Wright & thread:

October 2018 'Sex, Gender & the NHS
Part 1: The “Single-Sex Hospital Wards” that have always been a lie'

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

Floral

If anyone else is on Twitter, @MattHancock is the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. I've tweeted the article to him, and asked him to confirm whether or not the story is true (we know it is). I've pointed out that it's a huge safeguarding issue.

So after the news we've learned this week about the woman who was in a persistent vegetative state and became pregnant due to rape, they're still letting male-bodied people into vulnerable women's spaces?

This seems relevant too: 900 cases of sexual assault or harassment on NHS wards over a period of 3 months, including some that took place in single sex wards.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/11/nhs-launches-sexual-abuse-probe-amid-fears-dangers-mixed-sex/amp/

This was read out in the Today programme's round-up of what's in the papers, so it's a. more out in the open, and b. it was brought out more in the open by the BBC.

So hang on a minute, patients are only allowed to object if they've been victims of sexual assault?!

What about ALL women who don't want to share a hospital ward with a male body?

Floral . I was assaulted by a man in hospital too. It's bad enough just going back into hospital without having to contend with sharing with men. This is going to stop women accessing health care.

Tina - exactly! And how do you even prove it. I didn't report (stupid I know but I couldn't face it) and only my husband knows.

I'm glad this has been made so publicly known, and using plain language to tell exactly how it is.

I've seen the tg policy for my (MH) Trust and there is no nuance in it. Its all about Trans and their needs and wants. No concern given to females at all. I've never read anything quite like it. But the E&D officers go along with it because it's official policy coming from.... I'm not sure what organisation. It needs to be challenged at source. Also, people making such decisions, and MPs, need to start opening their eyes to AGP and stop being in denial.

I've been in E&D training where MH (female) nurses asked for clarification and their concerns were brushed off by men. This was a few years ago before I knew what I know now.

I'm so sick of only women who have been sexually assaulted being considered needing concern over mixed sex spaces. Ive never been sexually assaulted nor have my mother or daughter but not one of us would be comfortable or feel safe in the scenario of a male sleeping in our ward, however they present themselves.

That's hideous

I work in an area of a hospital (ED) which by the very nature of the work we do and the length of time patients spend with us, is mixed sex. The issues we have with policing that are endless and it is generally the main issue our security team deal after drunken violence.
Patients are either discharged from us or generally sent to an assessment ward, which they should (and do) expect to be single sex - we field questions about this policy most days. It is a real concern to women (and some men) that their care is conducted in a single sex environment.

I was assaulted by a man whilst a patient on a post natal ward which had (no longer) a 24 hour visiting policy for birth partners (99% fathers). All because my baby cried and I visibly bled. This led to me birthing my last baby at home despite good reason for me not to.

I also remember about 3-ish months ago a woman on Twitter who spoke about being on a mental health ward with a man IDing as a woman, who was alllowed access to female only spaces on a secure MH ward. She was utterly distressed but got savaged on Twitter by TRAs. Her tweets still haunt me.

My 17yo dd was recently an inpatient on an adult ward for some length of time. The ward was single sex bays but a mixed ward as are most wards. It was bad enough with elderly, confused men sometimes wandering into her bay but at least the staff would remove them fairly promptly.

I still had to tell dd when I left her though that if she ever felt unsafe rather than buzz she was to start screaming......which is an awful thing to have to tell a sick teenager. If there had been a man in her bay I wouldn't have left her, inc overnight no matter what the staff said.

It is being discussed on LBC this morning on Nick Ferrari’s show.

It's the naivity of it all. Wokeness triumphs over basic common sense. It is utter stupidity. Like sticking a peice of shit rapist into a woman's jail.

No safeguarding ( in this I suppose you can vaguely count gender recognition certificates) because that's mean. It's gatekeeping. Let any man who wants into spaces with our most vulnerable women.

Why did they commit to single sex wards anyway? There's either a rational for it, or there's not.

Ireland has self I.D but you can't use that in a hospital or prison. UK doesn't have self I.D and yet anyone can go anywhere.

So they just LIED when they said single sex places would be allowed. The most basic of female protections are overturned.

I'm glad it's front page at last.
It is front page.
I can't think of a bigger safeguarding issue.

I'm so angry

Gawd am so fucking fed up with this fucking shite
Fucking fed up with
Who started all this and who hated women so much that they were able to do this
Grrrrr

The Telegraph has a very woke online editor is publishing this will have caused a lot of ruptions. Too many people have been saying ‘live and let live’ instead of stopping and thinking. My professional friends have been much slower to grasp this than those who have less privileged upbringings.

I like that they've written men get access to women's wards. Not 'transwomen'. Tell it like it is.

Yes, good on them. The law supports them in this because, without a GRC, they are men, under the law. Glad another paper has the guts to call them what they are.

But the document adds, “except where it is in the overall best interests of the patient or reflects their patient choice”.

And there is only one patient in this scenario. Apparently.

He hasn't read it, has he? Twerp.

I think it's significant that the Telegraph has made this its front page lead. Up to now, amongst the nationals, it's the Times, Sunday Times, Mail on Sunday and, to a lesser extent, the Daily Mail that have made the running on this. It's really good to see the Telegraph waking up to this.

One wonders how much longer the Guardian can bury its head in the sand.

I expect the Guardian are so steeped in WOKE that that will just be in denial about it all, just like they have done with ISIS and Asian gang grooming and Cologne NYE sex assaults. I see you 👀 Guardian, I see that you stand there watching it all happening and are doing nothing.

I've seen the tg policy for my (MH) Trust and there is no nuance in it. Its all about Trans and their needs and wants. No concern given to females at all. I've never read anything quite like it. But the E&D officers go along with it because it's official policy coming from.... I'm not sure what organisation. It needs to be challenged at source. Also, people making such decisions, and MPs, need to start opening their eyes to AGP and stop being in denial.

There is a thread on twitter by someone who was not happy with the wording of the local police policy and put in a FOI request to find out who contributed to it. It was found that Stonewall wrote the guidance and it was signed off at a national meeting and that was it.
twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1082770527310278656

The Guardian is indeed steeped in WOKE. But at some point, surely, it will occur to them that being the only mainstream paper to support a policy that puts women and children at risk from sexual abusers is not a good look.

I mean, agreed, it hasn't occurred to them yet, and they've had plenty of time and plenty of evidence. But eventually, surely, the penny will drop.

This is horrendous. I find it extremely upsetting. I’ve been an inpatient many times and you are so vulnerable. When I was early 20s I was in a gynae ward and I and other patients complained about a man being allowed to be there all morning despite it being non-visitor hours. He’d insisted he be there as his mother didn’t speak much English and the staff allowed it. I was in the bed right next to her - little space between beds in those days - and found his demeanour very intrusive and disrespectful, and felt most uncomfortable at him being there during ward rounds when the doctors came to examine me. He was asked to leave in the end.

I would hate to be in a position where I had no right to complain because it was policy.

Correction: he was FORCED to leave in the end as I remember him arguing at length after being politely asked to leave.

a physically intact male has the right to choose to be treated on a ward for women that is simultaneously declared to be single sex."
Surely all we need to do is perfect the art of doublethink? Then everything will be fiiiine..