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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lily Madigan and the School Saga

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dillydallyXX · 24/11/2018 09:50

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

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dillydallyXX · 07/01/2019 15:50

I think quoting the post from Kiwi might have got it deleted, particularly as it included the "c" word!

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Katvonbatshit · 07/01/2019 15:50

It'll be what you saw on KF I guess.
It's a minefield really, the lines here.

OlennasWimple · 07/01/2019 17:27

We're allowed to say "cunt" on MN, I thought?

ClaraMatilda · 07/01/2019 17:42

OlennasWimple It might have been the KF term for a trans person that got it deleted? It's more offensive than some of the other terms that are banned here, since the second half of the portmanteau stands for 'lunatic'.

(I don't agree with deleting for that reason, but it might be an explanation.)

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 07/01/2019 17:45

We're allowed to say "cunt" on MN, I thought?

Not been a problem before.
www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?search_origin=mobile&mustmatch=Cunt&dontmatch=&nickname=&fromDate=&toDate=

Even gets into Classics.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/271891-cunting-sainsburys

R0wantrees · 07/01/2019 18:05

Be a shame if such a long thread got zapped at this point.

There's a wide range of discussion and background.

OlennasWimple · 07/01/2019 19:06

Ah, OK, that could be it. Didn't realise it was so offensive. Post could have been edited not deleted, though... (And I've never seen people screeching on Twitter about KF using the term, unlike fairly benign terms that used to be used on here until the new talk guidelines)

dillydallyXX · 07/01/2019 20:06

I might be a bit behind all this now, but there is a new phrase called "girl dick". I hadn't heard it before.

People like Madigan, biologically male but insisting they are and were born a woman, and saying they have no intention to have hormone treatment or a sex change, now call their genitals "girl dick".

Words actually fail me.

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andyoldlabour · 07/01/2019 23:08

@dillydallyXX

As an old guy, very cynical about the world at the present time, I too am cynical, and believe that a lot of these transwomen are "Trogan horses", just interested in gaining access to women's places.

tempname111 · 08/01/2019 07:26

Reference Lily's recent tweet about Julie Bindel, genuine question about who Lily would date etc and being as she states no man has turned her on-

Would Lily date the exact same as herself? A trans woman with male biological bits who identifies as a lesbian? Confused

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/01/2019 07:35

I’d suggest not (Not that I have any insight). They prefer women (they have said and mentioned their girlfriends).

andyoldlabour · 08/01/2019 08:09

I cannot believe that I spelt Trojan with a "G" - tiredness and alcohol, a match made in hell.
Anyway, back to the subject. It seems that no matter how you dress this up, many of these "transwomen" are heterosexual, yet label themselves "lesbian" simply because they ID as women.
At the end of the day, biology does not lie.

OlennasWimple · 08/01/2019 13:08

I've seen it argued that transwomen get a pass from dating other (intact) transwomen because it is triggering for them to be confronted with such genitalia

I shit you not

Meanwhile lesbians are expected to learn to "cope" with lady dick... Hmm

EeebyMum · 08/01/2019 13:24

It’s almost as if they have a lesbian fetish.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 08/01/2019 13:56

It’s almost as if they have a lesbian fetish.

We're the ultimate validation. Julia Serano wrote about it.

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 14:07

long twitter thread by @ astarkadder

'Does the cotton ceiling exist? I thought it could only be a few fringe provocateurs. This thread shows that’s not the case. Here’s some receipts of activists saying that lesbian’s “genital preferences” are transphobic, and dislike of penises should be “got over” (continues)

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1080554791066132482.html

andyoldlabour · 08/01/2019 15:27

Another article from an "ex academic philosopher" who also happens to be a transwoman. This is simply pushing the same agenda, the same fantasies, the same obvious misogyny.

medium.com/@transphilosophr/what-is-girldick-9363515e0bfd

BertrandRussell · 08/01/2019 15:29

“new phrase called "girl dick"”

Wait til you hear “clit on a stick”. My all time fave, that one.

NotANotMan · 08/01/2019 16:52

Recently saw 'abdominal hernia that resembles a penis' Hmm

Thingybob · 08/01/2019 16:55

andyoldlabour

Yuck, I wish I hadn't clicked on your link

BertrandRussell · 08/01/2019 18:16

I saw a trans friendly version of The Vagina Monologues where someone said “My vagina looks like a penis”

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 18:31

I saw a trans friendly version of The Vagina Monologues where someone said “My vagina looks like a penis”

Have you seen Jess Bradley's contribution?
'My Impossible Vagina' (Manchester SU Women's Campaign 'The Vagina Monologues 2015)

(Jess Bradley is founder member of Action for Trans Health & TELI as well as being the first NUS Trans officer. Bradley is currently suspended from the NUS due to allegations of inappropriate behaviour. Action for Trans Health are also investigating seperate issues of misconduct)

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

Jess Bradley, Lily Madigan & Eden Ladleye (also NUS officer) were panelists together for a Young Labour event in the Summer discussing trans rights and transmisogyny.

teawamutu · 08/01/2019 20:32

From the Medium article:
This contradiction requires us to do one of three things: reject a physicalist metaphysical view where all ontological “objects” are completely described on the atomic level OR add additional “layers” of reality to accommodate the metaphysics of girldick OR bolster our physicalism with a “constructivist” position that says some “objects” are projections of the human mind, in which case the pre-HRT girldick is only “girly” insofar as it is perceived to be girly.

W. T. A. F?

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 21:00

US The College Fix article about Lily Madigan's actions towards Louise Moody:

'Transgender activist lied about getting feminist critic fired from university, she claims'
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"A prominent transgender activist falsely claimed to have gotten a critic “fired” from her university, according to the critic.

Louise Moody left her postdoctoral philosophy position at the University of York this summer for health reasons, not because she was fired in response to Lily Madigan’s complaints of bullying, Moody told The College Fix in a series of Twitter messages.

She still serves an unpaid “research associate,” meaning she “retains an official affiliation and e.g. e-mail/library access” at York, though she is not employed by York, Moody said.

Her specific problem with Madigan, the first transgender person to serve as a “women’s officer” in the United Kingdom’s Labour Party, is Madigan’s repeated self-declarations as “gay” or “lesbian.” Madigan’s Twitter handle is “lesbianleftie.”

As a biological woman who is attracted to other women, Moody identifies as a lesbian, and has mocked Madigan as a “straight person” who “diminishes the experiences of actual lesbians” by claiming to have a coming-out experience. (continues)

The question of Moody’s status at the University of York began when Madigan tweeted at the university on New Year’s Eve, citing a mocking tweet by Moody.

Madigan had said she “came out as gay” to her father the day after Christmas. Moody tweeted a screenshot of the thread, reinterpreting Madigan’s declaration as “Dad, I’m heterosexual. It’s the new gay!”

“[T]his person employed by you bullies me relentlessly, mocks my gender identity and sexuality, all because I’m trans,” Madigan wrote to the university. “I’m a 1st year and this type of behaviour obviously impacts my mental wellbeing.. please do something? People like them make me wish I wasn’t me anymore.”

Madigan attends Goldsmiths College, not the University of York. Another commenter noted that Moody had never tweeted directly at Madigan before the activist complained to York, meaning Twitter would not notify Madigan of Moody’s criticisms.

Madigan’s supporters – many of whom know the activist from the Teen Vogue “21 under 21” list – offered to complain to York about Moody, and some were told that Moody isn’t an employee.

Alan Thomas, the head of Moody’s philosophy department, told one person that Moody is not covered by the university’s social media policy and did not have contact with students before leaving her postdoctoral research position. Thomas did not mention why Moody left her position.

In a post Thursday that included a screenshot of her complaint to York, Madigan said Moody was “no longer employed” by the university. “Fantastic.” In a later comment in the thread, Madigan said the university told her that Moody “wasn’t employed directly by them but that she’s now gone. Vague, but I’m not too concerned.”

University of Sussex philosophy professor Kathleen Stock, another critic of Madigan, brought the dispute to the attention of free-speech activists on Twitter by asking the university if it had really dumped Moody.

Moody cleared up confusion in a series of tweets Thursday after Madigan’s supporters publicly discussed getting York to punish Moody.

She has never claimed to be “employed” by York, making Madigan’s tweet “extraordinarily disingenuous,” Moody wrote. In a longer thread, she said her research associate position exempts her from the university’s social media policy, and that she withdrew as a postdoc for health reasons that are “now fixed.”

“And part of not being answerable to anyone includes not giving a fuck about HETEROSEXUAL ppl. who claim to be lesbians,” Moody continued (continues)
www.thecollegefix.com/transgender-activist-lied-about-getting-feminist-critic-fired-from-university-she-claims/

EverlastingGodstopper · 08/01/2019 21:57

Yes, I've seen this today and can't decide whether it's a good or bad article.

Two points though:

  1. I certainly DON'T "embrace" being called a TERF. I don't know where that came from.

And,

  1. I don't "identify as a lesbian". I am one in precisely the same sense that I have brown eyes and am 5'8 tall. It's just a simple fact and this talk of "identification" obscures that.

I am so very physically and mentally exhausted by this right now, and also by the real life repercussions. Sorry. I seem to have gone into hibernation mode :/

Louise