Lily Madigan and the School Saga

[dillydallyXX]

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

Been reading Kiwifarms threads. They can get away with saying just about anything! Mumsnet is extremely restrained by comparison.

I think TRAs don't attack Kiwifarms for three reasons. First, they probably find the content really upsetting and the people there intimidating. They don't want to draw attention to it. Second, they know attacking Kiwifarms will achieve precisely nothing. And third, they know serious sources - the press, academia, social services, educators etc - are not going to pay any attention to Kiwifarms. But they might pay attention to the intelligent and well-expressed arguments on Mumsnet. That's the main reason why TRAs want to shut this board down.

More nonsense from Lily
I can't find the original tweet anymore but someone quicker than me managed to get a screen shot.
mobile.twitter.com/MarcusBirch5/status/1080959142532182016

Ok that pregnancy post is the first time I've wondered if LM is actually a very good parody.

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay and Bluestitch did you ever see the explanation LM tried to give for the tweets about pregnancy? Something like:

Many women couldn't get pregnant if they had sex right now because they're at the wrong part of their cycle.
LM also couldn't get pregnant if LM had sex right now (for reasons which are blindingly obvious but will get my post deleted if I spell them out)
Therefore, LM is 'just as capable' of getting pregnant as many women.

I wish I was making this up.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

"Because they misogynistically believe women are a soft target I imagine."

Totally agree with that, whether it is McKinnon or any of the other large, male framed creatures muscling their way into women's sport, young TW's assaulting middle aged women at demos in London, or TW Labour "women's leaders" trying to get women sacled or relieved of their positions.
There does seem to be a common thread here.

Many women couldn't get pregnant if they had sex right now because they're at the wrong part of their cycle.
LM also couldn't get pregnant if LM had sex right now (for reasons which are blindingly obvious but will get my post deleted if I spell them out)
Therefore, LM is 'just as capable' of getting pregnant as many women.

There are also some male TRAs who claim parity with women who have had hysterectomies and/or are infertile. This has happened on MN FWR threads, is not uncommon on Twitter & was voiced on BBC and Channel 4 programs going unchallenged by interviewers.
Rebecca Root and Munroe Bergdorf drew equivilence eg some women have had hystectomies and are still women, we don't have a uterus so are similarly women. Neither Victoria Derbyshire or Cathy Newman challenged what is both illogical and rather disrespectful to those women (adult human females) affected.

@R0wantrees

" Neither Victoria Derbyshire or Cathy Newman challenged what is both illogical and rather disrespectful to those women (adult human females) affected."

Sorry, but listening to Derbyshire over the past couple of years, why am I not surprised at that?
Her programme is "neoliberal", "neowoke" - did I just invent a word? They ignore what everyone in the 35+ ranges thinks about, and concentrates on students and wealthy young people.

Sorry, but listening to Derbyshire over the past couple of years, why am I not surprised at that? Her programme is "neoliberal", "neowoke" - did I just invent a word? They ignore what everyone in the 35+ ranges thinks about, and concentrates on students and wealthy young people.

andyoldlabour

I haven't really followed much by Victoria Derbyshire but given the time of her BBC1 show I think the intended demographic will be much wider.

Victoria Derbyshire went through her treatment for breast cancer very publically. She talked about the impact on women's self-image, identity etc due the neccessary treatments.

I am mystified that in this case she seems oblivious to the numbers of women affected by gynaecological cancers who have needed hysterectomies & the impact this may have had on many of them. Its such a glaring blindspot.

(Victoria Derbyshire has though for many years been closely involved with Mermaids and some of their children and families.
Cathy Newman seems to have some close connections with prominant TRAs. In her recent book, 'Bloody Brilliant Women', Paris Lees is one of only a few with full page photographs.)

@R0wantrees

"I am mystified that in this case she seems oblivious to the numbers of women affected by gynaecological cancers who have needed hysterectomies & the impact this may have had on many of them. Its such a glaring blindspot."

I think that the majority of BBC presenters (both male and female) come across as being totally aloof, encased in the fluffy wool interior within the ivory towers known as Broadcasting House.
They are out of touch with the realities of life, ordinary people and the very real problems which they face on a day to day basis.
The BBC news is by and large a "Gigglefest", where presenters laugh and joke with each other and then talk about their own programmes - Strictly for instance, or what new sport Mike Bushell is going to be making a mess of.
They are incapable of self reflection and are at all times determined to be very PC and "right on".
Sorry for the rant, I am just a grumpy old man who has become very cynical about life in general.

andy You're very welcome to rant! I'll always resist such sweeping generalities about groups of people.

There is something particularly mystifying about the inability of a woman recently diagnosed and treated for breast cancer not seemingly aware of the impact on women of other sex-based cancers. There is a link too which women are aware of since some breast and ovarian cancers are affected by the BRCA genes.

I have personal experience (gyny) btw.

Some interesting stats here on the numbers of transwomen in the UK compared to transmen, particularly when it comes down to having surgery done on the NHS.
Since 2000, 853 transwomen and only 12 transmen had state funded surgery to change sex.
The true figures of numbers of transgender people is unknown but may be 10,000 in total in the UK, with 80% being transwomen and 20% being transmen.

www.bournemouth.gov.uk/councildemocratic/Statistics/Documents/JSNA/GenderReassignment.pdf

I rarely sit through more than a few minutes of the Victoria Derbyshire show. She always seems to be doing 'human interest' stories - infertilkity, online porn etc - the sort where she can lean towards the intervewees, give them a pat and be terribly sympathetic. She never seems to ask any hard questions, do any serious analysis or put across a point that may possibly upset the interviewee. I like the show much better when Joanna Gosling does it - she acts like a proper reporter.

Since 2000, 853 transwomen and only 12 transmen had state funded surgery to change sex.

andyoldlabour That document seems quite old but I can't see a date on it.

R0 - I can't find the original Telegraph story but Pink News churned it and it's from 2010:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/04/21/nhs-gender-reassignment-surgery-rates-triple/

I can't find the original Telegraph story but Pink News churned it and it's from 2010

That makes sense. I wonder if the data in comparable format has been collected regularly since then.

IIRC, FPW tried to work it out but couldn't find stats and ended up estimating based on the number of surgeons. It still won't be many. At most, roughly the number of GRCs.

I was thinking in the context of the new focus on improving healthcare access for people who are transgender it might be relevent.

I was thinking in the context of the new focus on improving healthcare access for people who are transgender it might be relevent.

Well, you'd think more surgeons able to perform SRS would be on the agenda, wouldn't you? Unless SRS is a particularly minority pursuit among the community.

(Ahem.)

@R0wantrees

Looking, not finding at the moment, will keep looking - very strange, eight years info not showing, but I am a bit (very) OCD so will keep looking.

This is a survey carried out in 2017, where 108,000 people responded.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report

From FPW:

No one knows for sure how many transwomen keep their penis, but there are fewer than 10 surgeons in the UK who can undertake the relevant operation. Even if they each performed one operation every single day this would still only represent an absolute maximum of 3,500 surgeries each year. The actual number performed is likely to be very much smaller than this. An estimate of just a few hundred operations each year would not be unreasonable.

fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/10/meet-the-gender-reassignment-surgeons-demand-is-going-through-the-roof

The following is from a report done in the US in 2016 by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, and bearing in mind the population of the US - around 340 million - against the population of the UK - around 65 million - in 2016 there were just over 3200 transgender surgeries, yet of those, only 15 (0.5%) were genital operations. So basically the vast majority of operations are boob jobs and facial surgery.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/more-people-are-getting-sex-change-surgeries-than-ever-before-but-its-not-w

What did I say wrong @MNHQ?