Lily Madigan and the School Saga

[dillydallyXX]

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

SwearyG;
I am sorry ( I mean this) if I came over as patronising. It truly isn't my intention.

As for using " she" for LM, I suppose I do it out of "courtesy " to her, though heaven knows " she" does not extend as much courtesy to others. Or to me!

I can't control how she behaves, I can only try to do my best to behave decently myself. So sorry; I'm out to offend.

oops; typo; NOT out to offend.

Kay - yes it’s useful to hear ‘this person does not speak for me’ because we only hear the loud voices.

We aren’t Lily’s keeper but someone or some people around them are facilitating this behaviour. It reminds me or a piece on Michael Jackson I read years ago where an ex employee said that no on ever said ‘no’ to him and that was why he was so mentally unwell.

That would be the nice and the right thing to do. That would be the thing that female socialisation would bring about.

All you have seen is another example of when a woman stopped being polite when a man dropped into a female space and expected space and attention to be given.

Many posters, myself included, have explained over and over again, the usual politenesses we have long accorded men are being withdrawn as a direct response to the ongoing male behaviour of simply expecting to be listened to, given space. THAT is a direct result of the TRA actions.

I said a little while ago that I would probably call a transwoman by her preferred pronouns to her face. Now I am not so sure. Yet again I have been to a business networking meeting and been asked for my preferred pronoun. This time I just laughed and said I wasn't into all of that gender rubbish. A few people moved away but a couple wandered over and started guarded conversations about it!

Such things make me more determined not to quietly acquiesce any more. I have no doubt I am not the only woman who will be adjusting their attitude over the next few months....

Lily's school is an academy - St Simon Stock Catholic Academy.

Really user you think that it’s helpful to have someone point out that some trans people don’t think LM is all that, like we don’t know?

We still get the fuckwit biggot threads pretty regularly (even though they get deleted), trying to turn this into a playground for genuine transphobia.

There are also doubtless lurkers who worry about our motivation and haven't read enough to fully understand lily's behaviour.

I think the odd reminder these nutters don't have legitimacy and are not representative is fine.

Also note that the solicitors worked pro boner

Sometimes autocorrect is inspired.

Solicitors will take on work that they find interesting or will give them a profile. They don’t necesaatily need to agree with it but still...

Kay - thank you. It is important to remember Lily is just one person..... one really annoying person doing far more damage than good. But still just one person.

I've been mulling over lily's sure start campaign. Did she tweet about it at the time? I've had no luck searching twitter. Surely she would have tweeted at least.

She claims to been involved in a video about it but doesn't seem to have a link.

Sounds slightly fanciful...

Doesn’t mention the name of the comrade either.

Someone said earlier that it is surprising that the Labour Party have not disowned her. I think that privately people at various may feel they would like to, but don't want to make her a martyr.

My own Labour Party Women's Group know all about her, and have their own views, with which I happily fall in line.

Lily's mysterious comrade intrigues me. I want to see this film!

Labour should sideline lily for sure!

I'm trying to be helpful and engaged, in an issue I am entitled to have views on. You don't like me, I don't know you; Lets avoid each other?

I'm curious that on another thread you're suggesting that a poster who is also trans takes their nuanced comments 'off here',
because, "This isn't our place to clog up, is it?"

Lily would just sue and join the Lib Dems.

I have wondered if the school was an academy

Of course it was a fucking Academy. It has long been known that there were gaping holes with the Academy system and that one day there would be a massive safeguarding scandal. And here we are.

When LM first came on the scene I had a good poke around the SM accounts of pupils from that school of LM’s era. There had clearly been a clean up of LM. But in general the SM behaviour of pupils at that school was a fucking car crash.

The school was painfully out of it’s depth. I feel incredibly sorry for LM’s siblings, mother and all other pupils attending that school.

Kay everybody knows that the old school TS’s are as appalled at this as the rest of us. I frequently make that point in RL after I’ve made my points about safeguarding and women’s rights. Transsexuals who don’t like this demented activism need to contact their MP’s and say so and I hope they also make the point it’s bad for women and children as I make the point it’s bad for them.

Of course it was a fucking Academy. It has long been known that there were gaping holes with the Academy system and that one day there would be a massive safeguarding scandal. And here we are.

Absolutely. I presumed it would likely be.
Access to local authority legal advice, child psychology, expert safeguarding leads etc really matters with complex situations.

Also as has been seen, decisions which may have seemed to the school a particular issue involving a specific pupil, their family etc has had massive implications.

Rowantrees;
Fair point. I know the person concerned, and one of her posts had been directed mainly to me, by name. My feeling was that people would very soon get fed up with that, as she and I are to some extent, and to some people, only here on sufferance.

Although she, and I, are legally " female for all practical purposes" as the current law says, we are both aware of the sensibilities of women.

Perhaps I got that wrong. Probably did. Bit of a minefield, this sort of thing. We are both supporters of the Stop the Self ID thing, and we feel that to some extent , though we are few, TS women do add a little extra weight to the cause.

As it happens, neither she nor I have any axe to grind in all this. We are of an age, and an appearance, that few if any issues of acceptance crop up on a day to day basis. We identify as/ with women , and women's issues like this mean a lot to us both.

I've been mulling over lily's sure start campaign Lily's campaign???

There is a Facebook page entitled 'Save Childrens Centres in Medway' It was a campaign that started long before LM became Womens Officer for a CLP and none of the organisation, protests or publicity for that campaign link to LM in anyway.

Please , do not assume that all trans/ transgender/ transsexual people approve of the way she goes on, or of standing as "women's officer" , and so on.

I don't think that is assumed however there doesn't seem to much challenge of LM by people within the transgender community.

This has been going on for over a year.

Anne Ruzylo described how she was targetted and forced out her position as Labour Party Women's Officer by Madigan and allies.

Incidentally this speech, in which Anne Ruzyo also rasies concerns for vulnerable female prisoners, based on her professional experience, was outrageously edited and misrepresented by TRAs.

At the end of the speech, Anne describes a specific small group of people as 'hateful misogynistic bastards', she qualifies exactly who she is speaking about and why.

The lie that was created and spread was that she said this of 'trans women'

It bounced around for a long time on the other side of the 'terf block' on Twitter also largely unchallenged (Whilst being absorbed as truth or retweeted by many of those within the LGBT+ community)

It is really important to recognise the political access and influence that Lily Madigan enjoys whilst worth considering if Anne Ruzylo had been listened to, the vulnerabilities of female prisoners when housed with males who identify as women might be better appreciated.

Fair point. I know the person concerned, and one of her posts had been directed mainly to me, by name. My feeling was that people would very soon get fed up with that, as she and I are to some extent, and to some people, only here on sufferance.

I'm not sure you appreciate what may or not cause people to become fed up.