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Victoria Derbyshire show today - transgender children buying time by delaying puberty

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LittleLebowski · 02/07/2018 06:30

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44661079
Looks like it will be on today's show. mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23VictoriaLIVE&src=hashtag_click&f=live

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BlackForestCake · 02/07/2018 21:56

And that's why this movement has become as powerful as it has - nobody wants to seem unkind.

There must be more to it than that. Plenty of unkind things happen to disabled people, refugees, homeless people. I bet they wish they were as "marginalised" as trans people, with politicians of all parties lining up to pledge support. There is something else going on. But I don’t know what it is.

R0wantrees · 02/07/2018 22:01

With parents of 11 year old Jessica:
VD “The big news is since we last saw you is that Jessica has started taking puberty blockers to stop her becoming a teenage boy effectively. That involves an injection every month. How’s she been about that?
Step Dad "she's been great, more relaxed, its put her mind at ease. She was really worried about growing a beard, that was her biggest concern"
VD “How do you feel as her Mum now she’s taking puberty blockers?”
Mum " I don’t know, I suppose its not the end. I know that they are reversible. But it reaffirms that it is the end of James.
VD ‘Which was her as a boy?
VD asks about concerns about long term effects of puberty blockers:
Mum, "I’m not concerned, no... I do not want my child to go through a period of when they feel its so bad they need to kill themselves. I would much prefer to have potential side effects, long term side effects than not get the blockers”
Step Dad, “not have a child”
Mum “yeah”
VD “You mean because the rates of self-harm and suicide amongst trans children are higher than the general population”
Mum & Step Dad, “yeah”
Step Dad “You’ve got to do everything you possibly can to keep your child happy and safe”

Baroquehavoc · 02/07/2018 22:02

Another thing that bothers me about the transing of children is the demands placed on other children to accept and, in a way, validate the trans child.

So many childrens mental health is fragile, especially as they get to be teenagers. I think all children need to be given access to good mental health resources, but it shouldn't be other childrens role to validate, especially if that is detrimental to their own well being and health.

I often hear that children have no problems accepting, but how true is that? How can we know when nobody is allowed to say anything that is deemed to be hurtful.

I'm not saying children shouldn't transition because of the potential damage to other children. But rather, other children shouldn't be forced into a role of validation.

Baroquehavoc · 02/07/2018 22:08

“You’ve got to do everything you possibly can to keep your child happy and safe”

That's the key point. Google transgender children and you quickly get links to suicide and self harm rates.

What else can you do as a parent?

I know from experience that the trans support network is really strong and gives parent and children support and options when other mental health services don't.

R0wantrees · 02/07/2018 22:21

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents-voices.html

LadyJaneGreyspen · 02/07/2018 22:24

The parents never ever seem to talk about the sacrifice of their childrens sexuality.

i know it is a bit of a taboo subject but surely it should be discussed in a n appropriate way if this is the course they want to take.

sacrificing your childs sexual and reproductive health is a huge step.
I just don t think a young child can grasp the repercussions of the route they are going down and to be honest most of the parents dont seem to either.

LadyJaneGreyspen · 02/07/2018 22:28

sorry that was posted after Rowan

Italiangreyhound · 02/07/2018 22:34

JoanSummers

This really bothers me massively.

"I'm surprised at the number of parents and children who are happy to appear on TV. I know this isn't anything like 'i am jazz' level of exposure, but it does make me feel uneasy for all sorts of reasons.

Another big trans contradiction. We must use legislation to falsify documents so that adults (who more often than not don't 'pass') can 'go stealth' and not deal with the stress of 'outing'.

But parents should be applauded for be parading their children on mainstream media from the youngest possible ages.

Deadnaming is a sin for adults. But kids, who are much more likely to be 'passing' at least while pre pubescent, must be named constantly so we are always aware they are 'trans'."

Very well put.

Voice0fReason · 02/07/2018 22:43

Child says that male-born peer who identifies as a girl will not grow up to be a 'proper woman'. This is a nasty comment.
I don't want any child to bully or be bullied. There is no place for that.
But I don't want any child to be lied to either. It is wrong to tell a boy that they can grow up to be a woman. They can become a transwoman. It is vital that children who are wanting puberty blockers and their parents are completely honest about that fact. They also need to be honest that they don't know what the long term consequences are and it cannot be completely reversible.

Mossandclover · 02/07/2018 23:02

Absolutely voice it sounds like they are lying to these children.

OldCrone · 02/07/2018 23:26

I just don t think a young child can grasp the repercussions of the route they are going down and to be honest most of the parents dont seem to either.

Children are being taught that they can change sex. They have no idea of what is being done to them. I'm beginning to wonder if some of the parents actually think that it is possible to change sex, as well.

BlackForestCake · 02/07/2018 23:30

People believe in astrology and trickle down economics. Of course some people also believe it’s possible to change sex.

BlackForestCake · 02/07/2018 23:31

Especially if so-called "experts" assure them that's the case...

OldCrone · 02/07/2018 23:43

Of course some people also believe it’s possible to change sex.

I'd assumed that adults, particularly women who had given birth, would understand that you can't change sex. Obviously I'm out of touch.

The organisations which are pushing this ideology, including the BBC, have a duty to tell the truth about this. Something they are failing to do.

SisyphusWasGenderCritical · 02/07/2018 23:46

What is going to happen when these children realise how much they have been lied to?

For all the lobbying for the trans agenda, it seems to me that they only have as long as it takes for these children to grow up

Those woke fuckers who have supported this child abuse will of course have buried their heads in their falafels and disabused themselves of any responsibility for the ruination of the lives of children

It is something that I will never tire of reminding them

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 02:06

There's a special place in hell for the people behind this.

SnuggyBuggy · 03/07/2018 02:36

Am I being cynical to. wonder that this treatment is a cheap alternative to providing mental health treatment to children? I know that child mental health services are starved of funding

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 02:49

It doesn't ease their trauma.

nauticant · 03/07/2018 06:39

In advance of today's LGBT Action Plan, the propaganda push for gender identity ideology has begun early today on the BBC. On Radio 4's Today programme just now, a wholly one-sided report that conversion therapy is such a problem for people in the LGBT community that this means that barriers to T people receiving the treatment they think they need must be accelerated.

R0wantrees · 03/07/2018 06:58

The combination of legislation outlawing what might (by some) be regarded as conversion tharapy along with measures to address waiting times will likely mean that more young people questioning their gender identity access the private services and treatment model of Gender GP, Dr Helen Webberley.

Bespin · 03/07/2018 07:22

(by some)

Meaning all the professional bodies in the UK that work in this area and have signed upto that.

R0wantrees · 03/07/2018 07:38

current thread re scope of gender identity 'conversion therapy'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291326-Urgent-banning-gender-identity-conversion

Bowlofbabelfish · 03/07/2018 07:41

Meaning all the professional bodies in the UK that work in this area and have signed upto that.

So the facts that
1.a girl who may be a lesbian is told she’s a straight boy