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Pratchet Sun 22-Apr-18 00:05:00

Brace doctor breaks cover and warns of the dangers

Pratchet Sun 22-Apr-18 00:05:17

Brave not brace

SupermatchGame Sun 22-Apr-18 00:24:41

Brave adult psychiatrist not a paediatric psychiatrist. Not an expert in child mental health. Therefore never has to sit with a child and parents in front of her in a huge amount of pain and distress, pleading for help because of their/ child's gender dysphoria. She doesn't have to help them or come up with a solution. It doesn't really effect her.

OldCrone Sun 22-Apr-18 00:25:46

She confirms that other doctors are concerned about this, but they are too scared to speak out.

Dr Griffin revealed that she is not the only doctor worried about the ease with which young patients can get transgender medicines.

But she said that many other medical staff are ‘running scared’ because they fear accusations of bigotry, of being out of touch or, at worst, practising ‘conversion therapy’ on transgender people

Pratchet Sun 22-Apr-18 00:27:24

She is talking about the severe physical impact on their bodies. Nice to know someone isn't concerned about it though hmm

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 00:27:57

@supermatchgame what triggers your concern? What makes you think this is a trans child? Not this specific case but generally? Because if you come back with stereotypes I will release the bitch.

SupermatchGame Sun 22-Apr-18 00:39:27

Hopscotchy not sure I understand.. are you asking what would make one think a child is trans in general?

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 00:39:53

So @supermatchgame ? Running or standing your corner?

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 00:40:48

@supermatchgame what is a trans child? What is trans?

Pythagonal Sun 22-Apr-18 00:43:30

I've just posted this comment, should we have a sweepstake as to how long/if it's published?

I was put on a similar drug (a GnRH analogue) for six months as a treatment for endometriosis. The side effects were horrendous, there is no way a child should be given these drugs.

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 00:46:04

It's abuse. And when all these kids come demanding answers and compensation I will be there with bells on.

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 00:50:19

Still silent @supermatchgame? I don't blame you. You have nothing but stereotypes. And leave children out of it. They are not your cloak.

NowtSalamander Sun 22-Apr-18 00:56:40

My mind is blown by the idea that people think child psychologists/psychiatrists aren’t concerned and at a loss to explain what’s going on with current rise in trans-identifying children. You may want to google recent presentations from the Head of the Tavistock clinic.

And what the ones I know are saying in private is much more in explicit agreement with what this doctor says here.

SupermatchGame Sun 22-Apr-18 00:57:09

HopScotchy in terms of clinical diagnosis and intervention it would be a child with an intractable fear/ disgust of primary or secondary sex characteristics, ie severe fear of developing breasts or starting period, or serious discomfort with their penis. That would be a line.

But obviously not just in isolation. Even if it hasn't progressed that far, a little boy say refusing to go to school unless dressed in a female uniform and with a female name, and also insisting they are a girl would obviously need a whole family support approach. I wouldn't necessarily call such a child 'trans' because watch and wait is commons sense. But it would be these things over time taken in to consideration to form a full picture, and decisions would be made as the clinician got to know the child and the family over years.

I'm very conscious of wanting not to to appear patronising with long winded explanations so I'll stop there. But I'm definitely not in support of stereotypes. If a boy wants to play with dolls and call himself Betty it's fine and I wouldn't call them trans and same for a girl being a tomboy etc. It's when it starts to become dysfunctional ie prevents a child/ person from being able to live a happy, emotionally, psychologically/ socially fulfilling functioning life that it is a problem.

SupermatchGame Sun 22-Apr-18 00:58:27

Christ Hops give me a minute to type will you.

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 01:03:52

No. @supermatchgame this is not enough. Many kids who grow up lesbian or gay and some kids who grow up straight explain that this is part of their history. I will NOT allow these kids to be deemed 'trans' for your benefit. No. It is not happening. Let them be. No 'medical' intervention until adulthood. Big fucking red line. You can shout transphobia if you like. I'll ignore you.

UpstartCrow Sun 22-Apr-18 01:06:59

Where were these kids 20 years ago? Or even 10?

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 01:08:34

Being young lesbians most of them.

SupermatchGame Sun 22-Apr-18 01:10:08

I'm not shouting anything HopScotchy. I know enough gay people to know that gnc behaviour is a normal part of some of their histories. But sometimes, for some young people there is a need for clinical intervention when their discomfort with their biology reaches a certain level. It's not for my benefit. It's a decision made between a young person, their family and mental health professionals. Professionals who are experienced, trained, intelligent clinicians that just want the best for their patients.

I'm now not running and hiding I'm just going to bed.

LightofaSilveryMoon Sun 22-Apr-18 01:13:31

Why the desperate hurry to instruct children and parents to early transition? Surely, watchful waiting, wait for the maelstrom of puberty to pass, unmolested, is the only sensible answer?

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 01:16:33

Not before they are old enough to know the difference for themselves and I object to 'trans' organisations going into schools turning stereotypes into reality in kids minds. I am unapologetic and furious about this. We will not allow this to take root. It's an overstretch to say the least. You are making enemies of friends. You will have few friends left eventually.

tygr Sun 22-Apr-18 01:22:14

I was one of those kids 30 years ago. I grew up to be a bisexual woman. Dread to think what I would have become had I been a child now. A very depressed and confused adult I think.

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 01:26:40

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tygr Sun 22-Apr-18 01:27:35

Who is abnormal Hop? Sounds like a sweeping generalisation....

HopScotchy Sun 22-Apr-18 01:31:34

Don't bait me @tygr what's 'normal' about telling lesbians they are bigots for not accepting lady penis? So much so that they need to be male to avoid penis?

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