Victoria Derbyshire show today - transgender children buying time by delaying puberty

[LittleLebowski]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44661079
Looks like it will be on today's show. mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23VictoriaLIVE&src=hashtag_click&f=live

I have to do everything I can as a mother to protect my child

I see this comment come up again and again. I've come to the conclusion that it includes throwing other children under the bus in the hope that this will somehow protect their own child. These parents are so seriously partisan that it's wrong for them to be given a platform without the realities, and particularly risks, involved also being carefully set out as a counter view.

Presumably they've bought into the idea that it's 'trans or suicide'.

Key word Pratchet is "investigated".

One could summarise the BBC article:

Child says that male-born peer who identifies as a girl will not grow up to be a 'proper woman'. This is a nasty comment.

Parent of male-born child who identifies as a girl wants child who made statement above re-educated. Believes that her child can be both a woman and a lady.

Mermaids camp run workshops on how to deal with bullying and how to report hate crimes.

Susie Green CEO makes a high number of reports under the 'Hate crime legislation' in such a way as to require investigation. (no mention of prosecution

Over 50% of young people from the transgender community believe they have been a victim of hate crime and Stonewall report this.

As these children have been victims of hate crimes presumably this is reflected in the court reports? Of do they actually mean they have been on the receiving end of comments they perceive as insulting (and many may well be so, I do also believe they are likely to have been bullied but that is not in itself hate-crime). If they mean the latter then why are they reporting untruths?

The young people have reported to Stonewall that they belive they are victims of hate crimes.

In a survey by Stonewall.

On puberty blockers, look at the Tavistock's Polly Carmichael.
If the screenshots are off-putting
The blocker is said to be completely reversible, which is disingenuous because nothing’s completely reversible

From this article, which is rammed full of stereotypes

Let girls be Batman. Let boys wear tutus. Stop transing kids.

That is different. That is because they are being told anything they perceive as insulting is a hate crime. It should be reported correctly.

Yes. Mermaids tweeting about this

I wonder how many of these kids sue Mermaids when they grow up

There is conflict between GIDs (Tavistock, head is Dr Polly Carmichael) and Mermaids:

James Kirkup
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/
(extract)
here is regular dialogue between Mermaids and the GIDS, but the two sides do not always agree. An example is on the time the GIDS team take to give referred children the hormone-blocking drugs that stop their bodies developing the physical characteristics associated with their birth sex.

In evidence to another Commons inquiry in 2015, Mermaids argued that GIDS should make such drugs available much more quickly. The GIDS team has generally resisted that call, more than once saying that “any decision around hormone treatment needs time and considered thought.”

And in evidence to that earlier committee, Dr Bernadette Wren of the GIDS said this:

“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

Here’s another summary. A transgender charity that says it is engaged in lobbying lobbied politicians and doctors to change the way children are treated by doctors. The doctors declined to make that change because it would be not be ethical to do so." continues

I see this comment come up again and again. I've come to the conclusion that it includes throwing other children under the bus in the hope that this will somehow protect their own child.

There's at least one parent like this at every school and this predates trans issues since forever. Adults who are narcissistic often end up as extreme helicopter parents who will cause endless problems at school because their precious isn't being centred in everything. In my experience, many of the issues a child with such a parent experiences with other pupils at school is directly related to resentment at the overbearing behaviour of the parent.

Combine that with a child who is questioning their gender and it's a toxic mix.

Can't believe it's getting the soft focus treatment.

The BBC used to be so balanced and you could rely on background research. They don't appear to have asked any medical organisation about these blockers. They seem to be going on the say so of the parents/Mermaids etc.

from the Kirkup article above:

(extracts)
"Dr Carmichael in her lecture said some things that seem relevant here:

“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

She did not name any stakeholder. But her words might be relevant to a charity called Mermaids. Mermaids is a charity that describes itself as “a support group for children and young people with gender dysphoria and their families”. Its CEO, Susie Green describes herself as “parent to a daughter who was born male.” Mermaids is a relatively small charity (it had income of £127,000 in the year to March 2017) with a big reach. It has prominent backers and its advice and recommendations have been absorbed and adopted by many public bodies... continues

Despite its influence, it is worth noting what Mermaids is not. It is not a research body. Its activities are support (for families) and advocacy: based on its contacts with those families, it argues for what it sees are better policies and practices by the NHS and others. It does not carry out or commission clinical or academic research. Its most recent annual report lists among its charitable activities “campaigning and advocacy” and says: “Mermaids has also become more active in lobbying”."

embedded link in quote from article: "Read this for a moving account of how devoted some parents are to Mermaids for their help."

The facts of life are 'hate crimes' according to the trans cult.

Is it even ethical to be so close to these families and expose the kids on such a controversial issue?

So Victoria is also going to be discussing "first ever mermaids prom" then. If that's not glorifying the transing of kids I don't know what is. Balance?

Oh dear 😬 So the plan is to powerbon through

And the problem with any programme like this is that, with children / parents in the actual studio or on screen asking rigorous questions about the ethics, whether it's reversible etc becomes impossible - the journalist will come over as unkind.
And that's why this movement has become as powerful as it has - nobody wants to seem unkind. Medical experimentation on children, 'medical' treatment resulting in life long sterility and dependency on drugs, removing the rights of others, rolling back safeguarding procedures - all happening in plain sight because everyone wants to be kind and inclusive.

Telling a male child that they could be a real woman and vice versa is more emotionally abusive as it's giving a vulnerable person false hope.

I don't think puberty blockers are bad in themselves but like any medical treatment there are risks and there are times when treatment is appropriate and times when it's not. For someone like Lina Medina it may gave been the right treatment, for a child entering a normal puberty it's not.

Yes, LangCleg. I suppose my point was that while it's understandable that some parents think in this way, and they can be contained in many situations, it's a different order of things when it comes to the trans issue. For that issue, giving them a platform where an effective counter view is hindered is an appalling dereliction of responsibility.

I've supported the BBC all my life but I'm beginning to be persuaded about the need for deep reform. In my view the complacent "how progressive are we!" mindset runs contrary to why they're entitled to collect the licence fee.

I'll bet that Victoria Derbyshire has been relentlessly and persistently "lobbied" as she has allowed some gender critical discussions previously. She'll have been told that she's presenting hate speech and bigotry so she owes it to everyone to provide "balance". And this is the balance!

Everyone should note from this: while they hyper-medicalise gender non-conforming behaviour in children, they fight for non-medicalisation (self ID) in adults. Looks pretty fishy to me.

cf current thread re proposed UK law:

OP comment:
" www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/gay-cures-could-be-banned-under-a-new-law-in-the-uk?origin=shp&utm_term=.nw24d18NQk#.keZANE7n3Y
Homosexuality 'conversion cures' must be banned,

They are sneaking in 'gender identity' to the law so that ONLY AFFIRMATION will be sllowed. 'Watch and wait' could be banned as conversion therapy. Kids need our help.

This legislation must be restricted to homosexuality, to allow childrenntime to become happy in their changing bodies. Help."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291326-Urgent-banning-gender-identity-conversion