Huge meta-study finds that transition helps trans people

[WAKAME]

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

Some excerpts:

"We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being."

"This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals. The literature also indicates that greater availability of medical and social support for gender transition contributes to better quality of life for those who identify as transgender."

"Regrets following gender transition are extremely rare and have become even rarer as both surgical techniques and social support have improved. Pooling data from numerous studies demonstrates a regret rate ranging from .3 percent to 3.8 percent. Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques."

"the health and well-being of transgender people can be harmed by stigmatizing and discriminatory treatment."

I miss the days when you could avoid evangelists by just not answering the door on Sundays.

Or when it was raining AAK

Unsurprisingly they chose to ignore studies that didnt support their conclusion

Shamelessly robbed from another random on Twitter

They leave out Asscheman, 2011 and Dhejne 2011, two of the the three long-term registry based studies (no loss to follow-up) that show poor outcomes and extremely high suicidality.

Unsurprising. Of course adults with genuine gender dysphoria are happier after transitioning. Does this study include children who are transitioning? Children taking puberty blockers and cross sex hormones?

A lot of the "problems" that are brought up on FWR are issues such as ROGD and AGP. Nobody, as far as I have seen, has ever argued that AGP people are unhappy post transition.

ROGD is quite a new phenomenon. I suspect with little evidence yet of whether or not transitioning is a good or a bad thing. Perhaps, yes, let these girls cut their hair and wear boys clothes but perhaps puberty blockers, breast binding and cross sex hormones might not be for the best? These are things that could be dangerous or irreversible.

In addition to all of this, a lot of what MNers discuss is self ID. The impacts that that might have on women from the point of view that not all TIMs will be males with gender dysphoria. I'm sure they're all happy TIMs but that shouldn't mean that women potentially have to suffer or lose out.

"This is a women's rights boards. Perhaps post in Chat?"

For those women who transition, it is a huge rights issue. You might not like that, but legally, medically and socially they are women and just as entitled to be here as you are.

For those women who transition, it is a huge rights issue. You might not like that, but legally, medically and socially they are women and just as entitled to be here as you are.

Trans identified females?

That's great. I hope they live long and happy lives
I hope too they accept they are different to bio women and respect biology
And support women in retaining single sex spaces and keeping all born males out of womens positions and sport
Then we can all be happy

"hey leave out Asscheman, 2011 and Dhejne 2011, two of the the three long-term registry based studies (no loss to follow-up) that show poor outcomes and extremely high suicidality."

Neither of those studies compare pre-transition trans people with post-transition trans people so are not relevant to their study. You might like to see this interview with Cecilia Dhejne discussing the way people "misunderstand" her study here:

transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

"And support women in retaining single sex spaces and keeping all born males out of womens positions and sport"

They are born women so yes.

It's all on adults - which is great as adults will have more idea what they are getting in to.
It doesn't require the study to have any specific comparison design (the gold standard would be a randomised, blind RCT but while I have not looked at the specific studies I'm willing to bet my lunch there are none of those - they couldn't be double blind as the individual will know if they are transitioned but they could be randomised and they could be single blind if the assessor only used questionnaires to assess outcomes and didn't meet the individual).
It doesn't look at any particular treatment - so it includes social transitioning, drugs, and surgery.

I'm supposed to be working so I can't spend ages searching for the original article, and the link doesn't have the authors on. But the number of people in each study is important, plus it would also be helpful to see how long they'd been transitioned for, what comparisons there were before/after transitioning, what other treatments they were getting, and if they compared different types of transition.

(It's not actually that huge, compared to some meta-analyses)

For those women who transition, it is a huge rights issue. You might not like that, but legally, medically and socially they are women and just as entitled to be here as you are

Well of course women who transition are still women I don't think many people here dispute that

IIRC we've had this meta study posted at us before WAKAME. Just last month. I still don't see what it has to do with the FWR board.

The vast majority of GC women here wish trans people well. If transititioning helps them that's fantastic. After reading the responses of over 200 de-transititioned transmen to a survey a while back, I do wish there was more support and research into why and when and especially for whom transitioning is the the wrong choice.

That being said, in which way does this meta study matter to women and girls and their rights?

It doesn't. It makes no difference at all to the current debate around self-id if medically transitioning is the right choice for trans people. Your study is completely irrelevant to women's rights.

It'd be interesting to know if there are any differences in outcomes between TIMs and TIFs.

"Well of course women who transition are still women confused I don't think many people here dispute that hmm"

Glad we agree. So many here seem to disagree with you.

Gibbertflibbert

according to the equality act legally there are still cases where sex at birth is what matters even with a GRC.

And medically a transperson is not the same as the sex they transition into. To consider otherwise is dangerous to their health.

And socially, They have every right to be treated as a woman if they want.

So one out of three ain't bad.

Trans women are born, and remain, male

They are born women so yes.

No, they aren't.

I think GibbertyFlibbert is being disingenuous with the born women statement.

Muddying the waters

"It doesn't. It makes no difference at all to the current debate around self-id if medically transitioning is the right choice for trans people. Your study is completely irrelevant to women's rights."

It makes a huge difference to access to treatment and legal rights. But then neither do studies on abortion but they are a feminist issue too.

"No, they aren't."

If you read the Gender Recognition Act differently then please explain otherwise you are factually wrong

So OP, are you saying that because transition (socially, and/or hormonally, and or surgically) helps transgender people, us women should ignore any potential impact on women's rights? Just roll over and say "ah, go on then, don't mind us" as they are obviously more important than us?
Or have I misread?

And anecdotally, my trans sibling had gone from a working, contributing member of society, to a person on long-term sick, often rings up incoherent, and has regular suicidal tendencies - all since his/ her transition....

Boring!

@WAKAME

Agree with others. Why these threads?

Also, adults can pursue whatever treatment is beneficial to them. And gave been doing for a long time.

Most likely, self id will mean adults who 'transition' will not be required to have any medical assessments, Gate keeping or specific care, just admin.

So would you say, in the long run, Self id will be bad for trans people?

Bi11yOneMate even when transition under self id could amount to no more than a change of name and chosen pronoun. No medication no surgery.