Why so much trans bashing on MN?

[leighdinglady]

I just don't get it at all.

Why do I see threads every day on MN which spout hatred and fear about the trans community. What's everyone so scared of??? Literally hundreds of posts of people talking like trans women are somehow a threat to biological women.

For a social platform which is meant to be friendly and approachable, this really stinks.

Have you reported it? It will be deleted.

I've never seen anything "bashing" that want deleted. Do you have any examples?

*wasn't

If, IRL, I say I believe that transwomen are not women, that transwomen should not be in womens' sport and that some "transwomen" are not transgendered, but, simply autogynaephile fetishists - then, I am told I am trans-bashing. I'm not sure why.

Fuck, it feels good to say it on an anonymous forum.

Yes I do report them. When I say bashing I mean threads that seem to imply that trans women are in some way a threat. For example threads about trans children in Girl Scouts that shouldn't be allowed. Just now I read a thread about an artificial womb and someone immediately says that trans people could use is (gasp). Whilst that poster wasn't being derogatory, I do find it bizarre that that's the first thing you think of over say 'how great for premature babies'. Why are trans issues suddenly such a hot topic?

You've hit the nail on the head in your own post though.

Women are scared. Of being shut up, deleted, made unsafe in public spaces. It's not trans bashing. It's talking, asking questions, querying and pointing at the prevailing wisdom which seems to defy science.

I don't see that as transphobia, at all.

I'm with you Tunnocks.

Folly - was steal's comment enough proof for you?

stealth isn't trans bashing. Nope.

Discussing trans issues is not the same as bashing. I've seen no sign that MN loves to bach transpeople. But there is a lot that needs to be discssed.

(apologies for the spelling errors there)

But what exactly are you scared of????

Not once has a transgendered person ever had any impact on my life. I don't understand the fear at all. To fight fear with unfounded accusations about them being 'fetishists' (as steal says) is just bizarre. It's like some of the posts are convinced they're all rapists in disguise trying to break in to our toilets

Not once has a transgendered person ever had any impact on my life

But it has affected other women, in negative ways.

Stealth's post is perfectly reasonable and not an example of trans bashing. Especially the "transwomen are not women" bit.

Because they are not women.

What is your view on trans women competing in women's sport op? Fallon fox for example?

I didn't argue with that bit. It's true. But they're not fetishists. That is offensive

Just because something doesn't impact your life doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

Men saying they are women and demanding access to female only spaces IS a threat to women. I don't see how people are so blinkered that they can't see that.

I don't live in a bubble thinking they suddenly become biological women. My point is, that there's no need for all the fear! There's no need to think that because a male identifies with being female there's some seedy undercurrent or agenda.

Some tw are fetishists. Of course they are, they admit to it. Not all but some are and are very open with it.

leighdinglady If you dont believe autogynephiles exist, its pointless me asking you how we are supposed to spot them from the genuine transsexuals.

Are you aware the majority of trans identifying men dont transition?
do you think a penis is a female sex organ? do you think lesbians should learn to suck one?
Why do men need the legal right to enter womens spaces?

"Do I think that lesbians should learn to suck a cock"????? WTG

Well I can't speak for everyone, but women are, variously, being muscled out of various sports, being shut up in prison cells with potentially violent cellmates with penises, of being unable to ask for female healthcare providers even in the most difficult and vulnerable of cases, in case some people's feelings and sensitivities feel under attack.

I think it's unreasonable that it's women who are being strong-armed into giving way here; unsurprisingly men aren't up in arms about being asked to share a prison cell with a woman identifying as a man.

If you don't understand anything about the issues, it's probably not a great start to accuse people of 'bashing' anyone.

WTF

Leigh

No one thinks all trans people are rapists, just like not all men are rapists but there is segregation in toilets for a biological reason.

Partly to do with safety but also to do with bodily functions such as periods and having to sit down to wee.

It should be possible to dissent from the orthodoxy that transpeople are in fact the sex they desire to be without being accused of hatred and bigotry, because that is a genuine issue to be debated.

Similarly, it should be possible to discuss openly what accommodation of transpeople will mean for the biological sex with whom they are being accommodated without being accused of hatred and bigotry. It is rare that these kind of societal changes can be made without someone somewhere bearing the cost of it, and I feel it is important to be honest about that.

Mowst of the time, it isn't possible. Because MN is one place which allows for a wider and freer debate, it may be that it is currently skewed by having many posters who dissent from the (apparent) trans consensus and feel very strongly about it, having been shut down elsewhere. I don't actually agree that all or even many of them are transphobic, but there have been a very few occasions where the tone and direction of a thread has made me uncomfortable.

Not as uncomfortable, though, as the fact that merely questioning the current prevailing view (or at least, what media present as the current prevailing view), however gently, is denounced and equated to hostility to trans people. A lot of people seem to be performing acceptance of trans people (possibly as a form of virtue signalling) by visiting astonishing aggression on anyone who demurs, however politely.