CBBC - just a girl

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885922/Parents-slam-damaging-BBC-sex-change-aimed-six-year-olds.html

Someone listened , I didn't think it would be the DM though!

with holding these drugs is liable to have the most negative impact

Link with the research that backs up this statement please.

So the vast majority of children who have these feelings should be pumped full of heavy duty drugs that no one know the true side effects of just to be on the safe side?

And it DOES make it a feeling or perhaps a better word would be belief or outlook.

So if you feel rich should the bank give you a mortgage on a mansion?

no Queen i dont think the vast majority of children with these feeling should be pumped full of drugs and they arent!! Do you know what you have to go through to get these drugs? alot of counselling, alot of refferals sometimes taking years. You are acting like people are handing these drugs out over the counter or something!

How do you feel about the 80% or so of children who otherwise wouldn't eventually become transgender? If only 1 in 5 of gender dysphoric children are transgender then it seems wrong to me to give out puberty blockers to all of them, just in case.

frankly I think puberty blockers (unless in the use of children going through puberty unusually early) should be banned.

Money is not a feeling. That is not what the word means. In a sense, the value of money is a belief.

So are you now saying that when you said woman was a feeling, you actually meant it was a belief?

So your statement...

"for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a feeling. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a feeling"

should actually read...

"for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a belief. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a belief."

I'm confused. What is the difference between a belief and a feeling?

I would assume feelings to be either

a. emotions. To feel joy, love, anger, envy etc.
b. supernatural. People can feel the presence of God.

Miffer- i wish

there are tribes out there that know nothing of money.
Yet we all live our lives by it to varying extents. But it doesnt actually exist as a thing outside of our selves. Give a bunch of money to a dog... he wont know what it is. Because its only something according to the person who believes in it and is affected in the way they live their life by that belief.
Just like gender. It has personal meaning to you and impacts your life due to that meaning. Its a feeling.

A meaning and a feeling are not the same thing.

Also, money does exist outside of yourself.

It exists in society. That's what makes it a social construct.

If something has a meaning that only exists personally inside of one person - it isn't a social construct!

Social constructs have a shared meaning.

Just like gender. It has personal meaning to you and impacts your life due to that meaning.

Offensive drivel.

i equate feeling with belief. Like outlook or view.
I think its quite interchangeable. Except i suppose you can believe things exist without feeling them. Like i think being gay is a feeling, i dont feel it but i do believe it exists?
And i suppose you could convince tribes that had never seen money to believe in its existence but they still wouldnt understand the feeling of it? they wouldnt understand how that feeling would make them behave the impact of it on them personally.

I can't even be arsed with this.

Hedgehog - I wish you well with your studies because you are clearly about 19yrs old and a student.

I'm also guessing when you said you worked in healthcare that you aren't a doctor but you did a couple of weeks work experience. Photocopying at your local GP.

miffer why is it offensive?

Let me clarify.

It has personal meaning to you and impacts your life due to that meaning.

Here are a random collection of things that have happened to me because I am a woman and was a girl-

I have been sexually assaulted.
I have been discriminated against at work.
I nearly died twice bringing children in the world.
I had a medical condition that caused my periods to stop causing no end of anxiety.

None of those things impacted my life because of a 'personal meaning' I gave myself. They impacted it because I am am woman and was a girl.

no, i worked in mental health full time for five years before i had my baby and i was studying to become a psychologist.
You did ask me these questions. This is just what i think. It is a bit late for this sort of thing.
But these questions are relevant because it is a really complex issue and it does centre on belief and feeling in individuals.
Like i said i just dont think that anyone has a right to decide someone elses gender for them.

Bollocks

But they're not interchangeable.

If you redefine words to mean things they do not mean, nobody understands what you are saying.

As I've said people feel things about the sea and believe in it. That does not mean the sea is a feeling or a belief!

Miffer- im sorry i did not mean that statement to stand against the fact that people are judged by others for their gender and will have experiences because of that.
It does worry me and i did understand germaine greers argument about womens experiences being undermined.
I personally think that is a seperate issue though.
I know men transitioning to be women will not have experience of the problems and prejudices that people born women will experience and have historically suffered. I know there may be some outrage when someone like Caitlyn Jenner says she is a woman, can speak for women and accept awards for women when she has been a very wealthy priveleged white man for a long time.
However i still dont see that as making a case for me to judge what gender another person calls themself? People changing their sex will encounter prejudices and pressures of their own.
Its a relatively new concept and if anything it really really need plenty of discussion.

Giving birth and having periods isn't a consequence of someone judging your gender.

Is working in mental health a belief or a feeling of yours? If I feel that I'm a psychologist who has worked in mental health for five years, can I put that down on my CV? Is that okay? What about if I say that I feel I've always been a psychologist, from birth? Is that okay? Given that we shouldn't judge people's feelings and 'mental health worker' is a social construct.

Gardengreek i dont think the 6yo need to agree on the concepts, surely this is just to make sure theres no bullying and nastiness by providing some insight into what these children are going thru to their peers?

Genuine question, if your 6 year old told you they felt like they were the opposite gender what would your reaction be?

How are you going to provide insight into a concept that nobody can define?

Six year olds can understand all kinds of things they don't experience personally - asperger's for example, but that's because there is an agreed understanding of what it is.

Miffer- id just say 'okay' and see how it panned out. Obviously there are many many different ways it could pan out. Id try and not make a big deal of it and pay attention to what they naturally wanted to do whilst trying my best not to apply any pressure in any particular direction. If they were seemingly very anxious and depressed about it id have to refer them to child mental health services whom i assume could tell me more about weather my child was actually transgender or there were other things going on.