CBBC - just a girl

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885922/Parents-slam-damaging-BBC-sex-change-aimed-six-year-olds.html

Someone listened , I didn't think it would be the DM though!

I am ftm transgender and to be honest I hate the use of medical intervention in children, and am massively glad that I never was put through that, some children will grow up to be trans and can then make an educated decision as an adult, but I just don't think it is something that you can make an informed decision about as a child.

If it was a programme that talked about trans issues in a non medical way and without the football = boy, dolls = girl crap then it could be a useful resource for children going through the hell of being trans. I was brought up to be massively ashamed of how I felt, I hid it and have nearly destroyed myself quietly by pretending I'm not so something like this could have been helpful but from the descriptions above I actually think that it doesn't understand the deep horrors of being trans and has totally missed the mark - although in fairness I haven't actually watched it...

Flora, could it be that he is trans and also attracted to boys?

I am struggling to see the homophobia. Are you suggesting that his parents can't stand the idea of their son being gay that would rather he transitioned to female, just so they can say that their child is heterosexual?

"Are you suggesting that his parents can't stand the idea of their son being gay that would rather he transitioned to female, just so they can say that their child is heterosexual?"

Homophobic parents preferring their DC to be trans (ie have a medical condition that needs treatment) rather than gay is a real and serious concern.

One word: Iran

aforest

I agree with you, if that is indeed the case. But is a leap being taken here in assuming that this child's parents are homophobic?

im gay and also mtf trans (although I hate what that word now means and while it no longer has much resonance for me, for the sake of clarity it's still the best single descriptive word to use)

I don't regard myself as straight because I am trans and attracted to men. I regard myself as gay because I am a man, even though I dress and present as a woman.

"One word: Iran"

I don't understand your point.

ripples there is a suggestion that gay males in Iran transition to avoid the death penalty that comes with being gay.
What do you think about MTF who describe themselves as lesbians?

ripples - have you ever read the blogs by Miranda Yardley and her partner Helen? I believe they describe their relationship as a gay male relationship (they are both MTF). They occasionally come on here, and I've found both their blogs and their comments here very interesting.

Felas

I'm aware of that. What I don't understand is why beyondreasonably would say "one word: Iran" in the context of this thread.

I find Mtf's who describe themselves as lesbians offensive. I find it crude, disrespectful, and have no time for such people.

In Iran, homosexuality is a crime and gay men are pressured to transition, which is seen as more socially acceptable.

Mostly

Yes I have. I posted on her a while back and other posters directed me to them, which I am very thankful for

Cross post, sorry.

Empress

In the UK, homosexuality isn't a crime. Are gay men pressured to transition here?

I am still struggling to see the relevance of beyond' "one word: Iran" comment in regards to a thread that is about a cbbc programme.

Write my reply before seeing your cross post comment.

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I think there is homophobia amongst some of the trans community. A video by fox fisher (transman) where he was saying that LGBT should drop the T because it gives the impression that T is associated with deviance, was surprising to say the least. There was also a tweet by mermaids which was very homophobic. I'm sure someone will be able to link to it. So there definitely is homophobia amongst some trans people and those associated with them.

So not a massive stretch to imagine that some people's transition might be motivated at least partly by homophobia, either of them or their family

Ageingrunner

In my experience there has been without doubt homophobia in the trans community.

There has also been transphobia within the gay community.

I don't regard the parents of the child in the cbbc programme to belong to either the trans or gay community however. What I am asking - in my first post in this thread is whether this child's parents are being homophobic in seemingly accepting their child's trans identity.

There's massive homophobia in pressuring lesbians to have sex with male bodied people.

It seems obvious to me that Jazz Jennings is actually a gay boy, but his conservative parents would rather have a trans daughter than a gay son

It's not clear that they are homophobic, but they certainly seem to have very set ideas about appropriate behaviour for boys and girls. The concept of sexuality being about the gender identity of the relative parties, not their biological sex is certainly put forward.

More than anything else, it sounds as though nobody thought through the various messages proposed by the storyline.

I haven't seen the programme ripples, so can't comment on it. I was under the impression that it was a drama anyway so probably unlikely that the BBC would choose to depict the characters as being homophobic. In real life it might be quite different though.

It is absolutely a stretch in my opinion.

In my own experience, living in the U.K., I found it so much easier to come out as gay than I did as trans ( I come out as gay before coming out as trans). I was much more accepted as being gay by more people than I was for being trans.

Acceptance of Trans people is way behind acceptance of gay people in this country, arguably throughout western cultures, in my opinion.

I realise that my experience is annecdotal however.

Certainly it doesn't sound as though they questioned whether the person who was commissioned to do the work knew what they were talking about.

It's not a television drama, it's a multimedia story told via the website - not sure what you call that.