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CBBC - just a girl

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kua · 29/10/2016 23:50

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885922/Parents-slam-damaging-BBC-sex-change-aimed-six-year-olds.html

Someone listened , I didn't think it would be the DM though!

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kua · 30/10/2016 00:55

Best practice in A&E look at the body in front of you and do the necessary.

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HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 00:56

Miffer well now days no one actually has to put their sex and in some cases i have even seen boxes where you can tick to say you are gender fluid etc

SpeakNoWords · 30/10/2016 00:56

A person could have whatever gender they felt like, gender is an expression of their personality. A person's sex is fixed and known, and very relevant to medical treatment or for access to sex-segregated facilities. Gender and sex are not the same thing.

QueenLaBeefah · 30/10/2016 00:58

Intersex isn't the same as transgender. Gynaecologists would know that.

When you said you worked in healthcare what aspect of a healthcare was that? I'm guessing not a doctor (especially not a gynaecologist).

Miffer · 30/10/2016 00:58

Hedgehog

It's not off topic. Nobody was talking about the tiny percentage of people that have both sets of sexual organs. We are talking about a penis and balls presenting at a gynecologist for treatment.

Miffer · 30/10/2016 01:00

Hedgehog

Sure you can tick a box but your sex will be on your medical notes. It would be dangerous if it wasn't. Do you really not understand that? I still work closely with healthcare, I still see medical information. Sex is always on there. Always.

almondpudding · 30/10/2016 01:01

"for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a feeling. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a feeling."

Well of course sexual attraction is a feeling. That is literally what it is.

But being something isn't a feeling.

What is this feeling? What's it like?

Do you also have a feeling of being the height you are? What about your eye colour? Or your shoe size? Are those things an essence before an existence too?

HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 01:01

I know intersex isnt the same as transgender! But intersex people can be transgender and gender fluid. Would you say that that is acceptable because their sex didnt make their gender clear to begin with?
and you do know that transgender people also make up a tiny percentage of the general population? Yet from the outrage and fear youd think this was every other person or something!

LyndaNotLinda · 30/10/2016 01:03

1% of people are intersex Hedgehog. It's not lots.

Anyone can be trans as an adult - once someone is of age, they can decide to take hormones and chop off functioning parts of their bodies if they like.

Advocating drugs to prevent children from reaching puberty when 80% of children who think they are the wrong gender grow out of it is bloody dangerous.

It's not the same as supporting gay children at all.

Miffer · 30/10/2016 01:03

I would say to stop using intersex people and gay people and lesbians to back up your argument.

QueenLaBeefah · 30/10/2016 01:03

We were specifically talking about transgender children. Not intersex adults.

Stop derailing.

almondpudding · 30/10/2016 01:04

How would someone's sex make their gender clear?

Miffer · 30/10/2016 01:06

The thing that hit me most about this show is how much is defined by culture. How would a refugee child know they were trans for example?

HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 01:06

i think being a gender is a feeling because its a societal construct. I would also go as far to say that biological sex in terms of its meaning to a person can also be a feeling. But then yes i do think pretty much everything is essence precedes existence so i would say that.

Miffer · 30/10/2016 01:07

But then yes i do think pretty much everything is essence precedes existence so i would say that.

Would you like to try and explain this clearly? I think I see what you are saying but I would like to be clear before I answer.

QueenLaBeefah · 30/10/2016 01:07

So if gender is just a feeling why the need the puberty blockers?

HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 01:08

the thing is that the drugs are reverseable whereas puberty is not. Thats the point of it. No one can actually have the surgery when they are that young the point is to delay the onset of puberty to give them time to grow older and decide then.

HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 01:09

Queen because they want their gender and sex to match

Miffer · 30/10/2016 01:09

No one can actually have the surgery when they are that young the point is to delay the onset of puberty to give them time to grow older and decide then.

Because puberty is such a trivial thing?

almondpudding · 30/10/2016 01:11

Money is a societal construct. That doesn't make it a feeling.

Living by the sea can have a lot of meaning for people. That doesn't mean people who live in a landlocked country can just claim they really live on the coast and we should all agree that is true.

What are you talking about?

I have no idea what essence precedes existence is even supposed to mean. Can you explain what you mean by essence and existence?

almondpudding · 30/10/2016 01:12

How can sex and gender match?! What does this mean?

QueenLaBeefah · 30/10/2016 01:12

No one knows the long lasting side effects. but, hey, pump children with heavy duty drugs. No big deal.

LyndaNotLinda · 30/10/2016 01:14

No one knows if the drugs are reversible actually. Because they were never intended for this use!

4thwavenow.com/2015/07/03/kingpins-of-pediatric-transition-confess-we-have-no-idea-what-were-doingunf/

These boards of full of parents who won't permit their children to have vaccinations because they're worried about some nebulous impact and yet other parents are happy to give their children drugs which no one knows the full impact of and that's fine? That's not fine. It's fucking child abuse.

HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 01:15

some peopel arent bothered by that and will happily live as women, say, but with male genitals their whole life... some people however find that deeply traumatic. I dont feel its my call to make to tell anyone what they should do. Surely the aim is to help children grow into happy and well adjusted adults?
Forcing someone whos gender does not match their sex and who is deeply upset by that to go through puberty by denying them blockers is surely not great?
Maybe when they get older they will have accepted the difference between their gender and sex and will not wish to continue and permanantly alter their bodies, and they have that option.
But if they go through puberty its much harder for them to ever become the opposite gender and also may cause them incredible psychological harm.
So giving these drugs may seem like an agressive thing but as i see it, with holding these drugs is liable to have the most negative impact and therefore is the more aggressive option.

HedgehogHedgehog · 30/10/2016 01:16

.money is a societal concept..... yes. And it DOES make it a feeling or perhaps a better word would be belief or outlook.