Ched Evans verdict

[FreshwaterSelkie]

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

So i had to post under a different name, i presume because i got banned or my account suspended. If that is the case then it really says a hell of a lot about the bias on here that people can swear and abuse someone for posting a point of view that they don't like even if the person posting those points is simply debating quite reasonably... Anyway, for that i will make this my last post as it is clearlt pointless if people are so precious that they will silence those who disagree with them.

Chocchocporridge. Get a grip.. And while you're at it stop trying to provoke me with accusations about my character or ability to judge people. If we were having an actual formal debate then anyone overseeing it would have shot you down there.

It is a matter of concern for any man that he could have his like ruined so easily by a false rape conviction. It doesn't matter how often it happens and quite frankly nobody can ever have a damn clue how often it happens because rape cases are so difficult. The important point is that the accused is given as much of a fair hearing as the accuser and that afterward when the accused is found not guilty, he (or she) are allowed to have their lives back as they were without people calling them a rapist. To do is despicable and that is what is so wrong on this forum and what prompted me to sign up and say so.

OlennasWimple... I presume that comments like yours are exactly why MRA people don't take feminism seriously. If you harbour such hatred that you mock the thought of men being given fair trials or the the idea that men can have their lives ruined with a false accusation then you have some issues.

ElizabethG81... That is a fair point (CPS taking a case forward in the case of domestic violence) however I still do not believe for a second that the girl in question at some point did not tell the police that she thought she had been raped. Ched Evans would have later been questioned about whether he had sex with her but at some point she has said that she didn't consent ...even if she did at the time. It is a messy case but at the end of the day the man is found not guilty. I personally think what he did was pretty sleazy but I don't think he raped her. I think that what may have happened is at some point she has become embarassed with the public image of her having sex with two men in one evening and regretted that/made a rape accusation.

Anyway thats me done...i do find it concerning how the rights of men are so easily dismisses on this forum. Not in particular regard to this case but in general...and as I say I speak as someone who has been subjected fo sexual abuse and known a girl who was raped. So I don't day these things lightly. I can see why MRA will make examples of you given how some of you carry on.

Either way my original point for posting still stands...some of you need to be very careful with your choice of words. Calling a free man a rapist is very wrong and could land you in a lot of hot water. I'll leave you to it and hope you will consider that going forward.

Easy Milko just tell your DS not to stick his cock into any women without checking she wants him to.

Elendon You say (about the jury) Another given is having a disproportionate ratio of men to women, with women being the majority.

Practically all the exemptions to jury service have gone and there are as near as damn it equal numbers of men and women on every list of those summoned for jury service. (Slightly more men than women get excused for work reasons and slightly more women than men for family reasons, which confirms what we already knew about this society, but the differences are not significant).

Then it is the first twelve names out a hat, and the right of the defence to object to a certain number without cause was abolished sometime in the Eighties. So seven women and five men was pure chance.

venus I hope you are right that gh can change. none of us are beyond redemption.

Are you not worried about lives he could ruin if he stuck his cock into semi conscious women without asking for consent Miko?

Ched Evans would have later been questioned about whether he had sex with her but at some point she has said that she didn't consent ...even if she did at the time.

I'm not sure what this sentence even means.

I think that what may have happened is at some point she has become embarassed with the public image of her having sex with two men in one evening and regretted that/made a rape accusation.

Read about the case. The victim did not make a rape accusation. She reported a stolen handbag to the police. In their investigations, they were given a statement from Evans that indicated that he had had sex with her without her consent. She didn't know that Evans had had sex with her until the police told her. There was no "public image of her having sex with two men" for her to then become "embarrassed" about.

Seriously, get some background knowledge to the case before you come on here trolling.

I find it mildly interesting that Gh objects so strongly to swearing on a women dominated forum. I suspect he wouldn't do the same on a male dominated forum.

Mind you I suspect he wouldn't go on to a male dominated forum and tell them how they should be behaving and feeling on a crime he clearly knows nothing about and in reality will probably never be a victim of. He saves that special interaction for the little women who need putting back in their box.

Milko, do you suspect your son might act like CE did that night If so, get on it now - education on consensual sex, and not sleeping with girls so drunk that everyone they come into contact with will testify that they were drunk out of their minds. FGS it's not difficult.

You should really also tell him not to lie his way into darkened hotel rooms where his mate is having sex with a girl, have sex with her without saying one solitary word to her, or knowing her name, before making his way out of the fire exit. While he has a girlfriend. But that's just good manners and being a decent human being isn't it?

I have sons too, and a daughter. I fear for her in the wake of this case, quite frankly.

Milko, if your DS was the type to break into a hotel room where his friend was having sex with a very drunk woman and then stick his cock in her without ever speaking to her, I think you'd be right to be worried. Does that sound like a reasonable belief in consent to you? Really?

How odd - I'm not a man hater at all .

I'm a feminist, and I believe that both men and women should have a fair trial. All too frequently women do not get a fair trial when they have been the victim of rape or a serious sexual assault - everyone other than MRAs acknowledge that the reporting rate of rape is too low and the conviction rate is even lower. That is what concerns me right here, right now, especially as the CE verdict has just set back the progress made on both these counts immeasurably.

GH you are actually the thickest person I have ever come across on mumsnet.

How the fuck can you think your opinion means shit when you know fuck all about the case.

SHE DID NOT ACCUSE ANYONE OF RAPE.

Dumbass.

LOL you haven't bothered to learn anything about this case have you gh? Bye then.

Urgh. 'Fuck me harder' is such a porn phrase. It's exactly the kind of thing an abusive partner would demand you say, or that a drunk rapist would imagine you'd said.

I can't believe that was admitted as if it was some kind of code.

I never reported my rapes. No one would believe me. Have always regretted I didn't have the strength to report but now - well maybe it was the right thing after all. Who knows how much more damage a shitty trial would have done.

What does this admission of previous sexual activity as evidence mean for marital rape then? Not that I can imagine the conviction rape for that is much above 0.

So depressing.

Milko why do you feel that he thinks he had consent?

So angry right now at this verdict.

I can't even put into words how sickened I am.

Batteries I feel exactly the same.

Everything about this verdict makes me feel sick and makes me question our standing as a civilised and just nation. How I judged the U.S. for the Brock case and thought that at least here we see through the white male privilege bullshit but apparently not.
I do pity his girlfriend though, how fucked up must her childhood have been with a rapist-sympathising father, those attitudes must have been pretty clear throughout her upbringing. Who's dad, upon hearing his daughter's boyfriend ADMIT publicly that, regardless of whether it was rape or not, he cheated on her in such a depraved fashion, doesn't tell her to get rid and forget about him. Instead he bank rolled his defence.
And for those saying that she's with him for the money (might not be this thread, I've been reading them all) her family is wealthier than him by a long way and I can't believe someone would chase fame that hard that they'd back a rapist.

I'm with the majority here as well. I have vomited twice today because it has made me so ill. It has brought back horrific memories of being raped. I was also gang raped by a group including a well known individual but I know that I can never come forward and report it. Who would believe?

Clona

I still do not believe for a second that the girl in question at some point did not tell the police that she thought she had been raped

Well it doesn't matter what you believe because it is a FACT that she did not once accuse CE or CM of rape. At the very least please educate yourself on the basics of this case before spouting such bile.

I have mostly avoided social media today but the few comments I have come across from the general public has made for some harrowing reading.

It is a matter of concern for any man that he could have his like ruined so easily by a false rape conviction.

It is more than 'a matter of concern' for any woman that she could so easily have her life ruined by being raped.

And not be believed, and have her past lovers testify about her sexual habits, and have people all over the country bully her over social media, and have to move and change her name to escape those bullies.

And all of those things when she never even made an accusation.

Now in the eyes of the law that man is not a rapist, but he has ruined that 19 year old woman's life just for a bit of 'boys will be boys' fun with his friends.

But but but it's the feelings of men that matter. We should have 'consideration' for Evans despite the fact he showed zero consideration to a 19 yr old woman before sticking his dick in her. Of course we should worry about all those men about to assault very drunk women because they want to get their end away.

I tell you what, women don't tend to worry that their daughters are going to be accidentally raping/sexually assaulting very drunk, semi conscious men. I wonder why that is?

Yy badabing - when people say that they are concerned that changes to the rules and processes for hearing a rape case mean that men will be the victim of false accusations, they actually mean that being accused of being a rapist is worse than being a victim of rape and not being able to get justice.

Gloriawasome: first page It was horrible reading all the comments about the girls previous relationships. She might have enjoyed certain things. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped.

Yes. In my office today the women were saying : it seems like she was raped three times then. The men were all 'yeah but'

I agree totally with Badabing. It is an egregious miscarriage that the rules were changed in this case to allow her previous sexual history to be used as evidence.

The scary thing is, it's not just men who are baying for her blood. There are a lot of women on social media making awful comments about her too.

What hope do we have for change when there are so many women out there who cannot see that it's not okay for a man to sneak into a hotel room and then start having intercourse with someone whom he'd never even met or spoken to before?

And why is it that people are calling the woman a slag, slut etc. When CE is the one who entered the hotel room without her consent, stuck his penis inside her without a word, and then left through the fire escape, all whilst he had a girlfriend at home waiting for him? Why is it okay for men to sleep around, but when a woman does it she is branded a slapper? So so wrong. I thought we were supposed to be moving forward as a society.

Didn't we used to get a better class of troll?

Well done women for trying to educate him, I fear you won't have been successful.

Clona I believe you. Take really good care of yourself.