Yes, it is another trans thread - attempted murderer Lauren Jeska

[PippaFawcett]

Absolutely no mention AT ALL in the BBC coverage that celebrated 'female' fell runner Lauren Jeska's reason for attempting to murder an athletic official is because she was discovered to be transgender and could have lost her titles, because obviously the women competing against her were at an unfair disadvantage.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37439875

I was baffled at Jeska's motivation until I read the DM's version: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801806/Former-fell-running-champion-Lauren-Jeska-admits-attempted-murder-former-rugby-player-Ralph-Knibbs.html#comments

Usual disclaimer that I have no issue with transgender people but this complete denial of the facts of biology does no-one any favours. And I presume this crime will go down as being perpetrated by a woman?

I cannot take anyone seriously who states Jeska is not a biological male.

It shows zero understanding of the basic facts of life.

but when we're discussing the difference between trans and non-trans, we need something to distinguish between the two categories.

We have that already.
Trans women.
Women.
Both very clear easy to understand words. No need to add anything more.

"deliberately attacked someone in a provoked attack. She won't be the first person to do that - male, female or trans and she won't be the last. Men, women , trans people - all commit crimes and are all capable of violence."

Oh yes, everyone knows that women regularly take huge knives in their bags to attack unsuspecting people in broad daylight in their offices

StrangeAdventure I'm cringing for
you; I've never read a post that screams 'written by a male' more. I can't tell you're getting annoyed that us silly women aren't immediately falling to the floor and apologising for our mean views

Strange- found out by the general public, facing having titles challeged

And jeska is male, born male so biologicaly allways male. Fact. Living as woman or surgery or hormones doesnt change that.

The only non offensive term for non transwoman is wOman. To distinguish refer to yourself as anything that suits you that is different from us. We are females or woman. Dont use our terms.

You havnt responded to the ppints about bias. The 'sui' study that mermaids misreporting actually contained only 27 people who were trans, many I think had other pre existing mh conditions. That's hardly a repreventative study to rely on. And again as many studies of transwoman risk of violence focuses only on sex workers (and I'd be willing to bet female sex workers who do it for any length of time have a 100%rape rate) it's hardly proof that transwomen experience 'much more' violence that women- who the un states 1 in 3 expereince significant physical or sexual violence, as do many other sources- ass sexual harassment and again that's 100% of us. Like pp points out native aMericans are at much greater risk as well so doesn't prove your point.

It's hardly just Jenner though is it? Look at the profile of moSt TRA's and heavy make up, skimpy clothing etc, and/or the likes of amimee, which portrays women with baby voices, unrealistic body types, and a fair bit of sexualised child (girl) violence within fair bit of it also. All over fb/twitter etc of tra's who verbally attack women and say rape all terfs die all terfs etc. No doubt plenty of trabswomen get on with life without this glamorising of male violence, but TRA's seem to indulge in it.

Oh yes, everyone knows that women regularly take huge knives in their bags to attack unsuspecting people in broad daylight in their offices

Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks on other people in the past and sadly will do in the future- not sure why the word 'regularly' was needed.

The lack of testosterone also reduces our aggression. You cannot believe how nice it is (for us, and for other people) not to be angry all the time!"
Really though? Because none of the men I know are angry all the time.DS isn't.DH isn't -or no more so than I am.Is this not just another stereotype,male =testosterone=angry and violent? (Possibly also =testosterone = " so not my fault if I'm angry")
Not saying no link at all (obviously) but I wonder how much is cultural rather than biological.

"I don't believe that anyone here does dismiss violence and hate towards transwomen." Sometimes it seems people do. But that's probably a different thread.

I'm sure they do. People also dismiss violence and hate towards women on here and everywhere else. There's always an (usually offensive) explanation of why violence can be dismissed.

I don't think that should be taken more seriously when it's aimed at trans people. It shouldn't happen full stop.

When I looked at the hate crime stats - hate crimes committed against those with protected characteristic gender- reassignment, were the lowest. The stats for sexual orientation, disability and race/religion were far higher. And most of the hate crimes under the gender reassignment category were not for physical attacks.

I have sympathy for the suffering you've experienced strange but it's not healthy or helpful to view one's life and experience through a victim filter.

You managed to turn your feelings of victimhood into lots of statements degrading women, when the post is about a trans woman who almost killed a man. It's okay, we're used to this. Everything is women's fault.

"Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks "

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one.

Which is is not surprising, except to those who mistakenly believe that HRT and plastic surgery actually changed this person from male to female.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one.

The only person being deliberately obtuse is you.

Why typically?

You seem to be saying that the only people who have ever committed premeditated crimes involving knives are male?

You're not saying that, surely?

most premeditated violent crimes are committed by men.

most premeditated violent crimes are committed by men

Yes, they are.

But trans people,men and women are all capable of committing premeditated violent crime - it's just that some groups are more likely to commit such crime.

That's my point.

Lauren is what many people on here would call a 'real' transwoman - someone who transitioned a long time ago, who generally passed, who would have been accepted in toilets, who had had surgery - she is a transsexual.

And she committed an awful premeditated crime.

You seem to be saying that the only people who have ever committed premeditated crimes involving knives are male?

No ego the key word used by Cotewas typically. You know that because you used it in your post.
So I think you are being obtuse.

sookie

Lauren is what people on here would call a real transwoman - she's had surgery, passed and from what I understand, most people would feel comfortable with such transwomen in bathrooms and toilets.

And this 'real transwoman' committed a crime that yes - is more likely to be carried out by men but is also a crime carried out by women and transwomen.

So is this an example of male violence?

Or violence committed out by a 'real transwoman' ?

90% of violent crimes are perpetrated by males 95-98% of sex crimes are perpetrated by males. According to UK crimes stats. I've not seen a breakdown into what method of violence or whether the women charged are male''s accomplices and go down with them or whether they go out as individuals with massive knives and attempts to stab someone to death in a way that is more typical of male violence.... But I think we would hear more about it if it was the case.

And I would love to see the stats [reliable and properly analysed] that show transwomen are more likely to be victims of male violence than women. Remember that the overwhelming majority of male violence against women and girls goes on at home, behind closed doors, perpetrated by loved ones and is massively under reported.

"Why typically?"

Because it is. Read up on it.

"You seem to be saying that the only people who have ever committed premeditated crimes involving knives are male?"

No, I don't "seem to be" saying that, as is clear to anyone who knows the word "typically". Look it up.

Pickle that blog is the fAult of self identification laws

ego

Your post in no way answers mine.

You questioned cote copying her post and asking if she was saying all premeditated knife crime was commited by males when you know full well she used the word typically in her post.

So what is your reply to my post?
Why did you decide to remove/or not understand the word typically?

The criminal in all this is male.
They carried out a crime that is TYPICALLY male.
Men are more violent than women the stats reflect that.
Just because this criminal had surgery to remove their genitals that does not make them less male. They were born male, grew up male have male strength and carried out a violent attack.

No, I don't "seem to be" saying that, as is clear to anyone who knows the word "typically". Look it up

It's also a crime that transwomen and women CAN commit too.

It's an awful crime committed by someone who would be defined by people as a 'real transsexual'.

"So is this an example of male violence? Or violence committed out by a 'real transwoman' ?"

It is an example of male violence committed by a transwoman, since.... you guessed it... transwomen are male - i.e. "Of the sex that can make sperm". Another word you might want to look up in the dictionary.

So what is your reply to my post? Why did you decide to remove/or not understand the word typically

Because cote decided to misunderstand this statement

"Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks "

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one

I never said it was a typically female action. Nor did I say it was a typically male action.

I DID say it was a crime that men, women and transwomen have carried out - and then cote said I was being deliberately obtuse.

"someone who would be defined by people as a 'real transsexual'."

Yes, scary isn't it? It goes to show how little modifying the outward appearance through artificial hormones and surgery actually changes the nature of the person.

I didn't suggest "a wave of hate": I suggested that someone used the fact that Jeska was trans as an excuse to stir up trouble for her.

StrangeAdventure you are on really dodgy ground here.

They were simply checking that Jeska fit the criteria for the races competed in. You know, rules. There are rules in things like sport.

I'm sick of this notion that transwomen are being constantly persecuted when normal rules and standards of behaviour are all that is being asked of them. And it is quite sickening to read about the poor persecuted transwomen when that person has tried to kill someone who was simply trying to apply sporting rules.

I'm sick and tired of reading about male violence (often extremely brutal and or sexualized) on the part of transwomen and then having to read crap about how transwomen are women.

There are an awful lot of transwomen who commit violent acts of male violence and I think it is about time that got looked into properly. And let's have less of the reporting which conceals that fact that they are transwomen and therefore male.

It's also a crime that transwomen and women CAN commit too.

Nobody is saying it isnt!
Hence. The use if the word typically.
ego you are not stupid so why are you pretending to not know the meaning of that word?
Unless of course you are being obtuse

I'm quite liking my type of wOman