Yes, it is another trans thread - attempted murderer Lauren Jeska

[PippaFawcett]

Absolutely no mention AT ALL in the BBC coverage that celebrated 'female' fell runner Lauren Jeska's reason for attempting to murder an athletic official is because she was discovered to be transgender and could have lost her titles, because obviously the women competing against her were at an unfair disadvantage.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37439875

I was baffled at Jeska's motivation until I read the DM's version: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801806/Former-fell-running-champion-Lauren-Jeska-admits-attempted-murder-former-rugby-player-Ralph-Knibbs.html#comments

Usual disclaimer that I have no issue with transgender people but this complete denial of the facts of biology does no-one any favours. And I presume this crime will go down as being perpetrated by a woman?

Jesus, that article is a disgrace. So UKA are supposed to learn something from this as if they stabbed an innocent man almost to death?

"when she took up the sport in her early thirties she wasn’t particularly outstanding..."

Wonder why

I started running in my 30s, too. There is no way you are going to start an endurance sport like running at that age and start beating athletes who have been doing it since they were little more than children. And of course Jeska couldn't either, when Jeska was competing against other males.

Oh his parents are evangelical christians. What a surprise

And Jeska's mother apparently always wanted a daughter...

That Guardian article is quite perplexing tbh.

Jeska stabbed some people. He's a dangerous criminal.

Why does he get this fawning profile? It reads like Jeska is the victim here, not Ralph Knibbs.

Did Ralph Knibbs get a profile in The Guardian? Did he fuck.

Did The Guardian point out that the PUBLISHED rules state "Hormonal therapy appropriate to the acquired gender has been administered in a verifiable manner and for a sufficient length of time to minimise gender-related advantages in competitions of the relevant sports. " Did they fuck.

He displays typical male entitlement, which the Guardian downplays "Then came a crucial meeting with a UKA official in June 2015, when Jeska was told that her past results were at risk of being erased from the record books if she didn’t submit to the blood tests"

They do at least concede "A spokeswoman said the request for blood tests was as a result of not having any other documentation about the procedure, and was supported by the transgender organisation UKA was using at the time. The UKA had offered both to assist with sourcing a doctor to do the tests and pay for them, the spokeswoman added."

He REFUSED to accept that he had an advantage, despite beating actual women, and while UKA were willing to let him beat actual women, they just wanted to provide some hormone results. But no he was so entitled that he went and tried to kill people rather than comply with very reasonable requirements in order to continue to beat women.

and I don't know what the fuck this means:

“Yes, she objected to her transgender status becoming public knowledge, but she was secure in her no-longer-new identity. She has taken coaching very seriously and has deep concerns that UKA might deal in a similarly insensitive way with younger runners, not so secure in their identity.”

Jeska was so secure he tried to stab somebody to death?!?

What in the actual fuck?

Not sure, btw, what the policies of Lancaster Baptist Church would have been 20 years ago on homosexuality, but I doubt they were very supportive?!

this looks like bollocks too

"Friends from Todmorden Harriers, her running club, recall that when she took up the sport in her early thirties she wasn’t particularly outstanding, but just trained like a demon to reach the top."

From Todmorden's website, 4th September 2008:

"First lady home was Todmorden based, but unattached runner, Lauren Jeska in 49:35. "

So he was already beating all the women (gee I wonder why), before he even joined a running club.

This newspaper also proves that this is a lie:

www.keighleynews.co.uk/sport/3806312.Addison_conquers_Kendal_grid_lock_to_win_Withins_/

"Leeds University student Lauren Jeska chased her all the way but was still a minute adrift by the finish, but considering the 34-year-old has only just taken up the sport, she has certainly made an impact, having won Blackshaw Head fell race earlier in the year. "

Also this:

" It was in 2015 that Jeska claims her problems began. According to her parents, she applied to run the London marathon as an elite athlete, but was rejected for reasons unclear."

Unclear? You would need to have run a qualifying marathon time in the previous 2 years. www.virginmoneylondonmarathon.com/en-gb/how-to-enter/championship-entry/ Jeska's only marathon time appears to have been in 2011: www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=82615

Those pesky rules, eh.

So confusing and unclear. Not. (And just worth noting as an aside: as an elite male you need under 2 hr 45min to enter the London Marathon. The female time is 3:15. Jeska's time? 2:48)

and btw, despite Jeska being a convicted attempted murderer, his results still appear as records all over the internet. So much for that, huh.

“Yes, she objected to her transgender status becoming public knowledge, but she was secure in her no-longer-new identity. She has taken coaching very seriously and has deep concerns that UKA might deal in a similarly insensitive way with younger runners, not so secure in their identity.”

It is dealing with it in an insensitive way to do blood tests to check hormone levels of males who wish to be females competing against born females? Fuck me. Should we just let them all get on with it and not bother about the cheating?

I notice the guardian makes no attempts to point out that it is not only testosterone that gives males an advantage over females in sports. Wonder why

Good analysis dick.

The article is full of contradictions.

Jeska was terrified of being outed, which is why Jeska wouldn't submit to blood tests - but "Jeska told her parents that the Fell Runners Association (FRA) showed her “amazing support” when she told them she was transgender, as did members of the Todmorden Harriers she came out to". Which is it?

Then there's the fact that there was no documentation of surgery - did it really happen? Events suggest otherwise - why would it cause such a problem to provide the blood tests if all was in order? We only have Jeska's word for it, and you'll have to forgive me if I doubt the word of someone capable of the crime they've been convicted of. Jeska just took it upon themself to decide that they were fit to compete. Such arrogance and entitlement. ALL athletes at a certain level have to be prepared to submit to testing for doping. What makes Jeska think they didn't have to?

As for it coming completely out of the blue, I doubt that too. Comments like this: "The twins always used to refer to their elder sibling as “the golden child”, "Mum, you always wanted a daughter, didn’t you?" and "We had three children and she was the only one I thought might give us grandchildren" make me wonder what sort of unhealthy dynamic was going on.

All of this makes me very nervous of where self-identification and lowering the bar for natal males to compete in women's sports is taking us. This is just one case, but I worry that Jeska could actually be quite representative of the type of transgender person who would crash into female sports - entitled and unstable. Does the rejoinder "people are just trying to quietly get on with their lives" hold true in the face of events like this?

It also quotes her parents as saying that Jeska took 'not just one, but two' knives. As another poster pointed out on another thread, he took three.

Can we complain to the PCC about this article? I can't imagine what it must be like for the victims of this horrific assault to read this outpouring of sympathy for their assailant

I think that Guardian article is encouraging actually. I think they are starting to change their previously only pro trans stance and now opening up the discussion. I thought the article was quite damning in an almost passive aggressive tone.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/18/identity-issue-our-age-talk-more-honestly-trans-women

Nice one Hadley 👍

I don't know what to say about him going to a woman's prison.

Hadley is quite gender critical I think.

Yes I always thought she might probably was but this confirms it. The more people questioning it in public, the better

Might probably was?

Maybe definitely could be. Definitely.

Likely, possible. Almost inperceptibly definite

Yeah that must have been what I meant

I needed that. My jaw is clenched from wrestling with everything today!

www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/go-ahead-ban-me-but-ill-never-say-a-man-is-a-woman/18585

Do you think the tide is turning? More people are speaking out?

picklemepopcorn

I do. Mainstream media are coming out with more critical articles. Two high-profile feminists have spoken out. The balance has certainly tipped on Mumsnet - it wasn't like this eight or nine months ago.

Below the line comments are much more critical. Even the fact that so many comments are deleted yet still upvoted prior to deletion, is a good sign.

Transactivists have gone beyond the tipping point of sanity with the claims they are making. All good.

The Daily Mail, I suspect, is on a very slow burn crusade about this.

Even if people are uncomfortable talking about the claims versus the facts, at the very least, they are making a big fuss about censoring and no platforming.

picklemepopcorn

I do. Mainstream media are coming out with more critical articles. Two high-profile feminists have spoken out. The balance has certainly tipped on Mumsnet - it wasn't like this eight or nine months ago.

Below the line comments are much more critical. Even the fact that so many comments are deleted yet still upvoted prior to deletion, is a good sign.

Transactivists have gone beyond the tipping point of sanity with the claims they are making. All good.

The Daily Mail, I suspect, is on a very slow burn crusade about this.

Even if people are uncomfortable talking about the claims versus the facts, at the very least, they are making a big fuss about censoring and no platforming.