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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Yes, it is another trans thread - attempted murderer Lauren Jeska

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PippaFawcett · 22/09/2016 19:40

Absolutely no mention AT ALL in the BBC coverage that celebrated 'female' fell runner Lauren Jeska's reason for attempting to murder an athletic official is because she was discovered to be transgender and could have lost her titles, because obviously the women competing against her were at an unfair disadvantage.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37439875

I was baffled at Jeska's motivation until I read the DM's version: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801806/Former-fell-running-champion-Lauren-Jeska-admits-attempted-murder-former-rugby-player-Ralph-Knibbs.html#comments

Usual disclaimer that I have no issue with transgender people but this complete denial of the facts of biology does no-one any favours. And I presume this crime will go down as being perpetrated by a woman?

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Datun · 18/03/2017 18:34

Gah!

Notafish · 19/03/2017 15:12

GallivantingWildebeest I managed to find the piece I mentioned earlier in this thread. In case you are still interested it's here. This was from 2011 in the House of Lords, and not specifically about sports, but I found what he said interesting and thought I would share it. hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2011-06-27/debates/11062712000043/GenderRecognition(ApprovedCountriesAndTerritories)Order2011?highlight=gender%20sport#contribution-11062712000014

"There are several potential problems related to the recognition of the physical and physiological advantages attached to men and women in different competitive activities. This was reflected in my amendment, which was accepted by the then Government. It stated:

“A sport is a gender-affected sport if the physical strength, stamina or physique of average persons of one gender would put them at a disadvantage to average persons of the other gender as competitors in events involving the sport”. "Fairness in competition is facilitated by making provision for competition by categories other than sex—for example, age and weight. However, the latter categories are easy to define using the arbitrary limits of date of birth and weight on a specific date before or the day of competition. One of the intentions of the Gender Recognition Act was to protect the rights of individuals who wish to blur the boundaries between genders in their private lives. For sport, that is inherently problematic. It denies the only arbitrary limit between the categories of male and female: genetic sex at birth, as determined by chromosomes. The regulation of single-sex competition in sport currently depends on that arbitrary limit. Since the EHRA allows for the interests of the community at large to override the rights of the few, that arguably would mean that single-sex sporting competition may continue without legal challenge on the basis of sex at birth."

Excuse my in-articulation. I know what I want to say in my head and have problems making my points in writing. So, back to the sports and fairness issue.

At my DD's school, a classmate was not allowed to take part in a regional tournament because she is 2 months older than the cut off date (at school she's in the year below the year she should be in). Everyone respected this. The officials who run the tournaments are supplied with students' dates of birth. It's a non-negotiable cut-off for who and who is not eligible to compete. There was no 'case by case basis' allowed to be considered here - even though she's smaller than most of her year group and hasn't been playing the sport longer than any of her year group. But the rule exists because it is possible schools could try to enter someone from older year groups who have an unfair advantage. This might not ever have happened but it is recognised that it could happen and it's easier for everyone to have a straightforward rule. So why is it not enough to recognise that mtt could use their position to gain an unfair advantage competing against females. Why aren't we allowed a straightforward rule to retain female sports for female-born women.

The guidance that has been produced for sports clubs (that I've read) only mentions hormone levels potentially being an issue for transgender people. Who has produced the guidance, how legally binding is it and why has consideration not been given to other unfair advantages owing to physiological differences between males and females?

Kennington · 19/03/2017 16:53

I give her 5 minutes in a women's prison before there is a violent incident.
Given the nature of her crimes and therefore strength it is downright negligent to put her in with other female prisoners. She would need plenty of supervision I would have thought.
The article is an insult to the victim who now has life changing injuries.

DickToPhone · 19/03/2017 16:59

He's been in a woman's prison for about a year now I believe

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/machynlleth-runner-court-over-attempted-11237611

DickToPhone · 19/03/2017 17:16

Some of the comments on the original story are interesting

www.facebook.com/countytimes/posts/1087589801279454

"She's is a woman haha we weren't sure hahah"

" no yeah 🙈 serving her nearly everyday shocking! We always said their was something dodgy "

" 'Roids!"

Also check the comments here

www.facebook.com/brumpolice/photos/pb.346660379556.-2207520000.1458937639./10154018762789557/?type=3

"Its ironic, when a man has been jailed for his crimes there are loads comments like "yes, get that scum bag off the streets" but when a woman is convicted there are not many comments.....
"

"many womens are worser than mans."

Backingvocals · 19/03/2017 23:07

Can't believe that fawning article in the Guardian. Someone nearly died - this was unprovoked attempted murder. But the UKA should learn lessons Shock. Hope Ralph Knibbs makes a formal complaint. It's disgraceful.

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