OK. Last post from me on this subject, because I am clearly wasting my time trying to explain anything. But picklemepopcorn did say that I hadn't tried to engage with any of the points raised. The snag is that I do have other things to do with my life.
AssassinatedBeauty: UK Athletic already knew that she was trans, and knew that she had competed in the same sport as a man before her transition. The reason they asked for further blood tests was because of what the police described as "historical complaints" .
I didn't suggest "a wave of hate": I suggested that someone used the fact that Jeska was trans as an excuse to stir up trouble for her.
sash: I am sorry to hear that you are disabled. But no-one chooses to be transsexual, either. A key difference is that you are prevented from competing by your disability. Jeska was prevented by deliberate action of a human being.
uniquehornsonly: that is clearly a photograph of an adult amongst a group of children. It is irrelevant.
Datun: you are making an assumption (that she had reason to hide her testosterone levels) when you only need to check a few basic biological facts to see for yourself that a post-op transsexual (like Jeska) cannot produce testosterone.
Egosumquisum: Thank you: that is precisely what I was trying to say, very much more concisely put "Sadly some people are driven to commit such awful crimes when they become desperate" I agree that it is no excuse... but it is an explanation.
Ageingrunner: Jeska was not "a feminine man". She was a transsexual an internationally recognised medical condition that is as far removed from effeminacy as a brain tumour is from a headache. Many transsexuals spend decades trying to suppress their transsexualism by taking on highly "macho" roles but it often gets them in the end.
You say "According to the DM". In trans matters, the DM's track record is that almost nothing it publishes can be relied upon as fact.
You say "Men afraid of being laughed at and women scared of being killed" is a ridiculous misrepresentation. The number of transwomen who have committed any kind of violent crime is miniscule compared wit the number that have been the victims of violent crime.
HumphreyCobblers: I assume that someone thought they had something to gain by making "historical complaints" about events that happenned five years ago. I am absolutely certain that many of those who have been trying to whip up anti-trans feeling in the press most recently are doing it because they profit by doing so.
Of course I have sympathy for the victim. I think that is such an obvious sentiment that there is little point getting involved in a semantic competition to see who can express the most sympathy for the victim or abhorrence for the crime.
enoughisenough12: I agree that there is a trend, but I suggest that it is in the opposite direction to that which you suggest. This attempted murder has featured in several daily newspapers and the BBC. Violent attacks on transwomen are an almost daily occurrence (there was one in Blackpool today, for instance) but I have seen nothing about it in any of the mainstream press.
Barcoo: No, nor did I suggest that transwomen have been physically attacked by Greer/Bindel.Murray etc. And nor was it "male violence": Jeska is not male, and has not been for about 20 years.
Pencilsinspace: "explanations" and "excuses" are two different things.
CharlieSierra: Greer, Bindel and Murray have a long track record of attacking trans people. When it comes to physical violence, you are quite correct: transwomen are at far greater risk of suffering from male vioence than non-trans women.
SleepWhatSleep1: Mental Health issues can be caused by suppression of transsexuality, and are relieved (at least partly) by transitioning. That is the main point of transitioning: it is the only "cure" for the problem. And I completely agree that trans "status" is not an excuse for violence. But I (again) point out that the constant barrage of transphobia, increases the chances that some individuals will be driven to lash out against it.
BigDeskBob: I'm afraid that is simply wrong: Greer, Bindel, and Murray all generate significant income for themselves by attacking trans people at every opportunity.
MercyMyJewels: you are quite right: trans people are not unique, and "every murderer [etc] will have a horrific story to tell. That does not excuse their crime, but it may explain it.
CharlieSierra: The trouble is that most of what I see paraded as "the truth" about trans issues is actually fiction: it is pure hate speech dressed up with non-facts, or with important facts omitted.
stitchglitched: Jeska is not a biological male.
HmmmOkay: I said the lack of testosterone reduces our aggression: I didn't say it eliminates it. Or are you suggesting that no women have ever committed any kind of violence after years/decades of emotional abuse?
Wobblylegs5: Jeska wasn't "about to get found out" : UK athletic knew she was trans, and had taken the decision to allow her to compete in women's events.
re: "I think men think women like it": I think you have a point. But I think you have been fed a distorted idea of how transwomen dress (and think). Caitlyn Jenner is an unusual example, particularly that awful photo-shoot. In the early days of transition, many of us do make the same kinds of mistake as teenage girls do, with heavy make-up and provocative clothing, because we are going through the same learning process. But most of us grow out of it (as teenage girls do). Personally, I follow the female "dress code" at work, and usually wear joggers and tunic tops most of the rest of the time. If I'm going out to some kind of function, I get a bit more dressed up, but I don't go for short skirts or low-cut tops, and my highest heels are about 2-inches (most of the time I wear flats). I would say that I'm more typical than Caitlyn Jenner!
QueenLaBeefah: most transwomen that I know do not "find it difficult" to understand harrassment and male violence, and find it just as abhorrent as non-trans women do. The urge to transition has nothing to do with wanting "sunshine and lollipops"
QuentinSummers: suicide is not a logical reaction, nor is murder. What they have in common is that "something has snapped", and the person concerned cannot think logically.
Benlinusatemyhomework: I didn't say Knibbs said those things. And Jeska had complied with the regulations: UK Athletic knew she was trans, and had allowed her to compete. It was when they required additional tests that the situation deteriorated.
BetsyM00: We're not allowed to use the technical term cis-woman because it offends people. but when we're discussing the difference between trans and non-trans, we need something to distinguish between the two categories. Non-trans seemed to me like the least offensive option.
DickToPhone: The list you have given includes many of the individual procedures that are included in male-to-female and female-to-male GRS. MtoF GRS invariably includes orchiectomy (castration) as an essential precursor to genital reconstruction.
I'm afraid the idea that transsexuals "Just have a boob job" is pure fantasy.
Bambambini: no point responding to such blatant transphobia
Tartyflette: if you look at photos of top women athletes, you will see plenty of broad shoulders, distinct muscles, and (often) narrow hips. Many are quite tall, too -- Frances Houghton (UK rowing squad) for instance, is 6ft 4in tall and several of her team-mates are over 6ft. And women have "Adam's Apples" just as men do. Men's are generally bigger, but there is considerable overlap between the sexes, and it has no impact on sporting performance.
Datun: I'm not trying to "justify" violence. But I do wish you would get your facts right: violence towards transwomen is an everyday occurrence right here in the UK. Statistically, we suffer more violence that non-trans women. Transwomen do not commit violence at the same rate as men. Jeska was not "cheating".
I'm afraid if you have to resort to disinformation like this, it tends to suggest that you are desperate to "win" an argument rather than discuss the issues. Dare I suggest that that is a very male trait?
OK, that's me done. I have to go to work in the morning