My Transgender Kid

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Anyone watching? Half way through, quite different kids, though gender stereotypes seem to be a quite strong theme.

www.urologicalcare.com/penile-implants-prosthesis/about-the-internal-penile-pump/
Internal penis pump for ED

a sex toy is different though as it's completely fake it's not even a part if anybody and I agree that a toy or inanimate object absolutely requires consent

I think it's certainly a grey area when it comes to a medically made from patients own body Penis. to all intents and purposes it is a Penis. it does what a Penis is meant to do with the same applications as people who would require a pump for the reasons already stated.

people medically alter their bodies all the time. hair, breasts, genital surgery, piercings, lipo sculpture,, botox, collagen implants like everywhere, tattoos of nipples on breast reconstruction etc how far do you take an entitlement to know how someone's body is made up.

And of course prosthetics

I don't know Giles, but certainly I think there is a need to know what you are being penetrated with. I think that is different to other forms of modification.

I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you almond I honestly can't say where I stand on it.

I know I have no right to anyone's medical details if they don't want to tell me on the context of a casual fling or ONS.

I don't think its mis representing themselves given they have always identified as a man and have begun or completed the transition.

and certainly everything up to the point of intercourse there's no need to tell anyone anything unless it's medically relevant in the sense of they have an STI or something.

I honestly couldn't say where I stand on the idea of sex. I mean anything that drew you to a person up to that point could he fake. their name, their body, their car, the credit card they were flashing, anything.

when you sleep with someone without knowing them the risk you take is that they may not be truthful and some things are there to be told to those you love and trust and are completely not our business.

equally whether you knew someone 10 mins or 10 years no means no when it comes to sex and the circumstances do not lesson the severity of the crime.

that is a really hard thing to decide on in all honesty. I couldn't honestly say

Possibly a man who has a prosthetic penis for purely medical reasons may well be upfront about that even on a one night stand. He may want to avoid any possible embarrassment on his part about performance or it not looking /feeling right.

I think they fall under different areas.

Lies about various forms of status can be fraud or similar offences. The undercover police officers sleeping with activists was the obvious one of debate.

Knowingly and purposefully giving someone an STD has been prosecuted as ABH I believe, in rare circumstances.

Misleading someone as to what they're being penetrated with is sexual assault. It's a different category to the others.

Lass, the impression given from Rebecca's link was that both the cancer survivors and their sexual partners opinion and experience of the saline and prosthetic were explored and taken into account. The doctors certainly weren't taking the approach that the partner would never need know!

Almost as if it is normal for two people to be informed during penetrative sex!

squidzin being bisexual seems relevant here, iYSWIM. Thanks for sharing.

about the prosthetic though, how can it work?
I get that penetration is possible because of the hydraulics or whatever, but presumably no ejaculation/orgasm? and what about the sensation? did they discuss that?

I was wondering about sensation as well. What happens to the clitoris or the nerve endings /blood vessels that are attached to it? Is it still possible to orgasm with a prosthetic?

The idea that women consenting to sex are not entitled to know if they are being penetrated with something other than a penis astonishes me, particularly from people who would presumably call themselves feminists.

Transmen absolutely should disclose their trans status before a casual fling or ONS. It's now feminist to say that women not entitled to define their own sexuality?

Giles Re All.private information that is not owed in the context of a one night stand. would you say someone who had had a reconstruction of some kind or a pump fitted and had sex with someone, had in fact assaulted them? I would say that this private information was due to anyone someone was planning on sticking their penis in! Any form of sexually transmitted diseases are private information but again once someone is sexually intimate with someone then I believe they owe that information to that person.

Agree with Almond Definitely People should have to declare it. My right to know what is being inserted into my body so that I can consent comes before someone else's right not to disclose.

Exactly what part of a a casual fling or ONS means women do not have a right to know that he person they are having sex with was born the opposite sex and is not using a biological penis? Does the longevity or lack of it mean that the person has any fewer rights?

Completely agree with FloraFox, shocked anyone should feel differently.

VashtaNerada yes I saw the trans community were not happy with the documentary. I think they should get a camera and make a documentary they are happy with. I'd watch it

Some of the criticism does rather come across as those boys and men are doing it wrong. They weren't hiding what their pasts were and it's surely up to them to make that decision.

The programme focused on their bodies because they themselves were so unhappy with their bodies. I think it was the Scottish boy who said he will now be able to go swimming again. Such a little thing for most people but huge for him.

I don't know anyone trans. I was discussing Caitlyn Jenner with friends and they assumed she had had bottom surgery. I wonder if it is a widespread assumption that trans people will have surgery.

I found it easy to understand and sympathise listening to those boys.

Ego hasn't posted on this and I know she has said in the past, it's not about the body. That's the bit I don't understand.

One thing that struck me about the man who said partners didn't know was his comment he could stay erect indefinitely.

I wonder if he had very little, if any experience of penis in vagina sex and if not, if he thinks staying hard and going on forever is the be all and end all of what heterosexual woman are looking for.

Yeah ALasss re 8I wonder if he had very little, if any experience of penis in vagina sex and if not, if he thinks staying hard and going on forever is the be all and end all of what heterosexual woman are looking for.* I noticed that and thought frankly not so much of a asset!

Weren't they just saying that the pumps were very effective and didn't leak until they wanted to deflate them. I got the impression they were pneumatic pumps but they might have been hydraulic.

I think Jenner's meant to have had the surgery by now.

It confuses me too tbh but I know the surgery's meant to be very expensive and really hard to get on the NHS.

I'm no engineer but I don't think it could be a hydraulic pump.

This notion of women not being entitled to know is still bothering me. It reminds me of the Lily Cade outrage where a lesbian porn producer was being harassed about her refusal to have sex with a MTT with a penis. It's a view of women's sexuality that does not value their sexuality in choosing what they want to do and with whom. It's a twist on the old "you had sex with him so why not with me?" For lesbians it's "you use a dildo so why not a lady-penis?" Now for straight women "you have PIV so why not a skin covered tube with a pump in it".

Florafox you are so right. I am very shocked that anyone would think it did not matter.

It's just about respect really, isn't it?

To who empress?

In the context of the current conversation, to the woman the hypothetical transman wants to penetrate.

Agreed

thing is respect works both ways. in this situation is there any way to balance it at all? a person's right to know exactly what is about to happen versus another person's right to not disclose personal information to someone who isn't a long term partner.

the technicalities are endless aren't they? I mean to the person having undergone the transition they are now the person they always were on the outside as well as on the inside. there's no lie here that they are a man. a Penis really is just skin and people who aren't trans would possibly have a similar implant of sone kind, again fir reasons that might not necessarily be something a person wanted to talk about

I have honestly never thought so much about the internal structures of a Penis and what would constitute a Penis.

just how does it all work. I mean I have always taken it fir granted that I didn't have to tell anyone anything I didn't want to or didn't feel comfortable divulging. and I've also never hung on every word or believed everything I was told when it comes to sleeping with people in any other situation that's not a LTR

is it at all possible to respect both persons rights here? I mean I have never been in this situation so can't draw on experience. but I do know that if someone asks me to keep something private, I do. I do try and be open minded and base my opinions of people on things I feel matter rather than what gender they are or what sexuality they are etc . I would not feel comfortable pushing for info someone wasn't ready ir didn't want to tell me.

but I do also see the point that people do have the right to know what is going on.

I'm. really struggling to see how it would he possible to achieve a happy medium here.