not sure what to title this but it's to do with ejaculation

[YuleingFanjo]

and in particular a man ejaculating on a woman's face. Sorry - I feel awful writing it down.

I was talking to a friend last night, she is much nore sexually adventurous than I am and she was saying that she thought it was part of normal sexual behaviour, that most men found it a turn on and most people she knew thought it was normal.

I argued that it was something that came from porn, was not what I would call normal and there was no equivilant sexual 'thing' for a woman to do to a man. She said that women can 'gush' (I have never done this, maybe I am abnormal) or piss or poo (!) which I pointed out was a totally different thing. But is it?

I was trying to discuss it with her and point out that her sexual encounters are out of the norm, definitely aren't encounters within a loving relationship, and that ejaculating in someones's face is surely more about disrespect than anything else?

or am I wrong. I just find it really horrible and if anyone asked me to let them do so I would show them the door.

Soory - I hope I don't sound like some hairy trucker trying to get off on the whole thing, and I am not asking for personal experiences (I would prefer not to read them thanks) but more to discuss if I am right about the power/porn/disrespect thing...

I think it is a disrespect thing, similar to spitting on someones face, except the woman is expected to take it. It can't be very pleasant and must be so awkward, like what are you supposed to do, just stare lovingly into their eyes as they jizz on your face???

Gosh.

I haven't been on MN in a while so I'm obviously out of the loop.

Last time I had a feminist discussion on here, in the feminist section, it was a lot more explorational, and a whole bunch less adversarial. Yunno, in a rocking the status quo, feminist kind of way.

That you disagree with me is one thing. To paint me as illogical or extremest is quite another (particularly through potentially offensive references to people who question vaccination, etc).

I find it despairing that the status quo being questioned on a feminist board creates all this aggression.

I've nothing against questioning the status quo, quite the opposite. But why are you so opposed to question the feminist frame of reference at the same time? It both belongs together. Both need to be continuously questioned.

Is it not explorational to ask whether a particular feminist analysis stands up to scrutiny? I've brought up a few points, (e.g. dominance being ingrained in humans even in an ungendered context, due to humans being social animals) which have not been picked up at all. Why is it not worth exploring the question whether the concept of patriarchy is possibly sometimes overstretched?

If you want to be truly explorational, you should be open to explore into more than one direction, instead of calling alternative viewpoints simply "adversiaral"

Eh?

Also "I find it despairing that the status quo being questioned on a feminist board creates all this aggression."

I don't like the aggression either, but I think it doesn't only come from my side. Plus I don't think feminism is a homogenous movement but a quite wide spectrum. We seem to be on opposing ends, and that's cool. I've no problem with you questioning my ideas and opinions.

I just get annoyed when instead of questioning and giving your thoughts I only get "that's too adverse"/"that's the patriarchy"/"that's intellectually lazy"/"silencing" etc. It just feels like I'm being told off for daring to disagree on the feminist board of all places. (And please don't give me a "if you find it patronising then it's your response and your problem")

I seem to inadvertently have posted before I was finished without noticing. Weird that.

I also think it is similar to spitting, a partner once spat on my clitoris once and I found that very very disgusting and disrespectful. I would not like a man to cum on my face either, other parts of my body yes and could be turned on by. but not my face. However I do get turned on by other power/ submissive acts that others would find hard to accept or enjoy.

I don't actually think we could safely explore this issue any further into a direction that upholds men's right to jizz on a woman's face, tbh

we would certainly need some physical protection

< passes the jizz helmets around >

I always give my thoughts.

I like to think that I'm a pretty transparent poster.

I just happen to think that there is a discussion to be had about why the porn rooted act (an act that is clearly defined in porn, by people who think porn is awesome, as being misogynistic) has been so readily accepted by many women (and men).

Call me pernickety. (Just don't arse about with the prude/women don't like sex bullshit. Please.)

Thank you AnyFucker.

I'm not like against jizz. Some of my best friends jizz.

I just appreciate the thought .

What I find problematic is that it is often ME that is leading the more deviant sexual acts (I cant even be arsed to namechange), not the men. I like pushing sex to its limits. I don't feel I 'readily accept' anything. I have analysed my sexuality until it bores me to tears, and I honestly do not think its roots lie in porn or male expectations. I have been this way from a young age.

i know this is only my experience, and I am not negating what other women feel. But it does perplex me...

Have you never wanted to play around with, and subvert, the porn myths, though?

In porn the woman is a compliant vessel. In RL, this is not my experience of sex.

Good for you, shoop

There has been too much worship-of-the-jizz on this thread, tbh

"I don't actually think we could safely explore this issue any further into a direction that upholds men's right to jizz on a woman's face, tbh"

But what about the direction that upholds women's rights to have jizz on their face should they wish to have it so? (Cue political vs personal thing ad nauseam et infinitum - not getting us anywhere)

Shoopaloop, porn myths make me sick.

Mostly because they are not myths. They are real acts being inflicted on real women.

I am no where near as articlate as many on this thread bt doesn't "But what about the direction that upholds women's rights to have jizz on their face should they wish to have it so? " just smack of the patriarchy claiming to do something in the name of the rights of women just to maintain what is actually something they want to retain for men? Am I making sense?

articulate! there's something wrong with my U

have you got your jizz helmet on, WW ?

It's a mystery to me how a feminist space could spend so much time lapping up jizz

It's a bit silly all this "jizz worship" isn't it ?

Isn't there a bit of clit-worship we could spend our time indulging in ?

Otherwise, it all looks a bit like "wot about the menz" dunnit

because the last time I looked, sex wasn't defined by the male ejaculation, or at least it wasn't given so much attention

I think you said widow that this did nothing for you personally. In your experience and from talking to women who say they do like this, are you able to say why they do? And why do you think this has entered the sexual repertoire?

YF, there is nothing wrong with your articulacy

and you are not wrong, there

charbon - there's a few women on this thread who have said they like it. Why don't you ask them directly why they like it, rather than theorising about it as an outsider who doesn't like it? It's not on the list of my personal kinks, so I can't answer that question. I'm just having respect for their choices. Which don't hurt anyone.

I don't doubt that porn helped popularising it, but that doesn't mean that porn has invented it or that it is new. Or that it is only ever men who float the idea.

At no point have I said that porn is entirely without problems. It's riddled with them, and worth examining.

AnyFucker.

You are truly incisive. As usual.

Here we are on a banal, nothing special, but could be cool, FEMINIST space and what are we talking about?

Jizz. That's what.

No wonder men rule the world and dominate finance.

ITSWIM

AF - why is it "whataboutthemenz?" Haven't really seen that on the thread.

The whole thread is "whataboutthewomenswholikeit?". The OP questioned her friend why she would do it, several female posters spoke about that they do it and like it, I'm certainly not concerned with how men feel about it - as long as they do it out of their own free will and not because they've been coerced.

The only ones who have brought up the men's feelings on facejizzing, are those who are violently opposed to the practice.

WW, you may have misunderstood the thread, and perhaps by doing so, misunderstood feminist principles

the OP asked if such a male-centric, jizz-worshipping practice as emptying your balls in a slimy facial is a disrespectful pastime

in a feminist space, shouldn't the question be "what do the jizzers get out of it" ?

Well, and noone asked the question, apart from those who are opposed to jizzing. Go figure.