Secret Militant Feminist Agenda

[ElephantsAndMiasmas]

...what is it then? I keep reading about it as a reason for us all Lying Our Terrible Lies about being harrassed in the street, or beaten up at home or what have you.

It's making me feel a bit left out TBH.

Can someone drop me a hint about why we're talking about these things, given that they cannot be true in the egalitarian paradise in which we live?

Code is permitted.

And you cannot see how patronising that treatment is....

Sunny, my guess is that you are either a) extremely lucky, or b) oblivious to the sexism that every one else on this board notices constantly.

Blackduck - I would rather not do it than have to do it in fairness. There were many cases where I got preferential treatment. I didnt have to retake things on my training even when my husband did and he was made to stay and clean all the floors for 2 weeks whilst I was rushed on to my training so I could do my NVQ even when I did something that was nowhere near as good as what he did.

I did something and another couple of men did it to. It was an accident but it was quite bad. They both got a £500 fine each and I was told about it and said he knew I didnt mean to do it.

I would rather it have been that way than me get fined £500 and be on my knees scrubbing floors all day whilst the men were doing their NVQs.

I still did that and was rushed in to acting Corporal really quickly and was put in charge whilst my husband never had those chances and never got to do the Coorporals position.

Sunny, my guess is that you are either a) extremely lucky, or b) oblivious to the sexism that every one else on this board notices constantly.

Alternativly some of the woman on this board might have been unlucky...

I can't actually think of many women I know who aren't affected by sexism somehow. Thinking about it, those who I can't say for sure are the ones I don't know so well, so wouldn't necessarily know either way.

Yeah I thought I was pretty unlucky when I was sexually assaulted on public transport at 13 years old.

I thought I was pretty unlucky when I was sexually harassed in my first job too.

I have a friend who was raped at university - she was really unlucky because nobody believed how unlucky she had been.

Another friend had a bit of bad luck too - her husband beat the shit out of her.

There sure is a lot of that bad luck about. Shucks.

It must be our fault Beachcomber.

I never hear anyone say anything to do with sexism in RL.

I know a couple of people that say 'all men are lazy, cheats, idiots etc or all women care about is money, cheats, lazy etc' but everyone usually just humours them because it is just them projecting their own problems/experiences on to a gender as a whole (as I know their backgrounds I can understand why they say it sometimes)

I have a friend in particular whose mum seriously abused them (dont want to say too much on here). It is very much effected his view on how women are and he always says that women are all like that deep down, not too be trusted, take what they can get etc. Its not his fault. He knows a group of men in the same situation and having heard them talk I think it isnt their fault but still thinking thinking this way doesnt do them any favours.

well-by now i probably look deranged and a man-hater.
but im not either.
i go about my buissness and try and bring my child up with the best of my ability.
this is in a very un deranged and un man hating way.

i come here not because i dislike men but i do dislike patriarchy.

as i go about my buissness-i am very frustrated.
week in and week out-i have to deal with things like disability.
actually having a disability and having a child with special needs isnt actually the problem-dealing with how society sees disability and the twonks we have to deal with sometimes-is.
i also have to fight every step of the way for the right resources for my child and this is very wearing.
on top of this-we have someone in the gov telling everyone hes going to make cuts everywhere-hmmm-i wonder where hes going to start?

as i go about my buissness-i notice things like-young boys/men killing each other-
this upsets me a lot.

elderly people dying in winter as they cant afford theyre heating.

i think of the poor mothers in other countrys that watch theyre children die.

i feel sick when i see how mentilly ill people are treated sometimes.

so-as i go about my buissness in this very insane world-i keep hold of my sanity and come here and post-
im interested to see what others think
and i let things off my chest.

i come here to this section as i know others understand.
i also talk about some really nasty stuff as
there is people walking about that feel bad about themseves for stuff that wasnt theyre fault-and i hope that by us all talking about things-this will stop people feeling bad about themselves.

"If anything they were extra nice to me and I got to do less work as I got out of the things that I didnt want to do and I know I had a very easy time in comparison to my husband. I had no problem with the fact that I was a girl when I was inside in the warm in the forces whilst watching my husband having to run around in the pouring rain in the mornings . the girls didnt have to do it for very long as our physical training is way wasier and they were always lenient on us because we were female whereas the men always got in trouble."

If you can't see that this is sexism, then I am astonished.

I don't want to be patronised by men - I want to be treated equally and on my own merits. If I make a mistake I deserve the punishment. If I do well I deserve the reward. My gender has nothing to do with it.

sunny, what do you make of the wide research showing that married men score highest in all areas of well-being, followed by single women?

cue another thread with sunny, larry and Footlong all agreeing with each other's opinions and ignoring or attacking anyone whose opinions differs to theirs by accusing them of having a psychological disorder stemming back to their childhood...
[yes both sunny and Footlong repeatedly told me that was why I hold the feminist views I do ]

Sakura - I saw SGBs thread bringing that up in the relationship thread but nearly every married couple said that marriage was a benefit to them, they loved their husbands and it improved their lives. I dont think all married women are unhappy, far from it. Most single women would love to get married but havent had the chance.

I think that statistics dont always show the whole picture as it depends who you ask. Its like the 100s of polls you see in the media everyday and when discussed with people everyone always says where on earth do they get this info from as it is so far detached from most peoples experiences.

Sunny, that's what cognitive dissonance is all about, it makes you think you're happy when you're not.

so your argument is the statistics aren't true? that the suicide rate isn't higher -vastly higher- among single men than among married men? And the depression rate among married women isn't higher than among single women. Despite the hard evidence, your anecdotal evidence trumps the facts? While I respect your right to your opinion that the facts aren'T true, surely you can understand why someone else would prefer to refer to the hard evidence as opposed to the anecdotes of someone on the internet?

Ok then well Im not getting in to that argument all over again where all happy married women are lying and are secretly depressed and all single women are having a whale of a time I completely disagree.

NO you're not lying, you're in the minority

"Most single women would love to get married but havent had the chance."

Really?! How on earth do you know that?

Sakura - I didnt say you had a psychological disorder said your experiences had affected you and influenced your opinions. Same as mine have I was brought up by a man who always cooked, cleaned, looked after us on his own and did loads at home so I dont know any different. Everyones childhood affcts their lives and some positively, some negatively.

and I really do think that in this day and age your husband should be doing more than he does when you've been looking after 8 kids all day.

yes but your opinion was based on bullshit. THat I had a privileged childhood or somesuch fantasy.
Again, this discussion can only go forward if you refer to the facts of society. That married women are unhappier on the whole. In research, they include the happy marriages, you do realise that, don't you? They don'T go searching for unhappy marriages. IN statistics, all results of the group are counted and they come up with a conclusion, one way or another

Footlong said I had a pyschological disorder stemming back to my childhood, then you stood up for him jumped on the bandwagon and started going on about my childhood as well.
I can see why you don't get this whole feminism deal

BecauseIamworthit - I know for a fact I cant keep up with the men in a lot of things. It doesnt bother me but I still wanted to be in and get paid and do my trade. I am a tiny, size 6 woman I am not ever going to be able to compete against most men even if I trained for 50 years.

Physiological differences mean I will never be as strong as the men. It doesnt bother me and it didnt bother anyone else when I was in, still was really good at my trade. If they hadnt of taken in to account that I was different physically I wouldnt have been able to join, wouldnt of passed and wouldnt of had a job.

"Most single women would love to get married but havent had the chance."

Really?! How on earth do you know that?'

Sorry that was meant to say most women I am friends with and know