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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Secret Militant Feminist Agenda

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 28/09/2010 21:04

...what is it then? I keep reading about it as a reason for us all Lying Our Terrible Lies about being harrassed in the street, or beaten up at home or what have you.

It's making me feel a bit left out TBH.

Can someone drop me a hint about why we're talking about these things, given that they cannot be true in the egalitarian paradise in which we live?

Code is permitted.

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LadyBiscuit · 29/09/2010 11:17

Is Larry here yet?

Sakura · 29/09/2010 11:17

sorry, don't believe you. I do not believe there are all these single women just dying to get married, and they confess these innermost thoughts to a smugmarried woman

LadyBiscuit · 29/09/2010 11:19

I am single and have no desire whatsoever to get married, secret or otherwise. I very much doubt I'm the sort of person who would be your friend though sunny :o

Sakura · 29/09/2010 11:20

when I meet a single woman who tells me she'd love to get married, I assume she's humouring me and tell her I'd love to be single

caramelwaffle · 29/09/2010 11:20

"BecauseImWorthIt Wed 29-Sep-10 11:10:01
"Most single women would love to get married but havent had the chance."

Really?! How on earth do you know that?"

Darn it. You beat me to it Grin

BecauseImWorthIt · 29/09/2010 11:21

"If anything they were extra nice to me and I got to do less work as I got out of the things that I didnt want to do"

But this statement is not about physiological differences between men and women. This is about men 'being extra nice to me', as you said, so you could get out of stuff you didn't want to do, not that you couldn't do.

Which is sexist.

sethstarkaddersmum · 29/09/2010 11:29

Sunny, even if you haven't personally experienced sexism, what about the pay gap? What about the 6% rape conviction rate? what about the small number of women in parliament and tiny number in the Cabinet? don't those things matter?

wukter · 29/09/2010 11:38

Thinking again about the hierarchy of happiness you posted Sakura.

I wonder how age has influenced the findings.

Young men, (who most likely are unmarried), have the highest suicide rates.

A lot single women are post-divorce or widowed, afaik women tend to come into their own at middle-age, which would coincide with the above.

There are other factors to consider rather than marital status.

I think the important point to take from the Happiness Scale is the disparity between Married Women and Married Men.

Which is probably the difference between the carer and the cared for.
Wifework (thanks for examples on other thread btw Sakura), stalled career if applicable, balancing the needs of dc, dh, parents AND PIL's (!) getting on in years, against their own needs. Which consistentlty come last. Even just in the daily grind. Pack lunches for DC, iron shirt for DH, school run, housework, supermarket, checking in on elderly relative having remembered to call first in case they needed something from supermarket, rushing home to have dinner ready, homework, remember dress up day at school tomorrow, bath & bed, call friend going through hard time, get next days dress-up outfits ready, talk to DH about his day, remembering awkward colleague and enquiring about it. And finally have a half hour to yourself and being too exhausted to do much except stare at tv for half an hour. So all day thinking and considering everyone elses' needs and no-one doing it for you. And getting accused of being unreasonable if once a year no-one has bothered even to rememeber to pick up a bunch of carnations when filling up at the petrol station.

Just generalising and musing, really.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/09/2010 11:38

Look I'm not going to come and tell you that you're miserable in your marriage if you're not Sunny. (disclaimer - wasn't on the other thread so not sure of backstory)

If you don't mind being treated as a tiny girl who it isn't even worth the bother of disciplining in the army, good for you. The thing is if they don't bother to discipline you or make you do all the work etc it may be nice at the time, but it's because they're not taking you seriously. At the low level you get to stay indoors in the warm. But when they're looking round for people to promote, if they don't think you're even responsible for the mistakes that you made (not punishing you etc), they're hardly going to think you're responsible for an operation are they? Might that explain why I can't see Us-equivalent-sunny in this pic? (And I checked the UK Chiefs and they look much the same.

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wukter · 29/09/2010 11:39

Oops sorry think I meant to post this on Cognitive Dissonance thread.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/09/2010 11:39

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/09/2010 11:40

wukter - i think that thread has moved in here!

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Beachcomber · 29/09/2010 11:43

But this was a fun thread!

wukter · 29/09/2010 11:44
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sunny2010 · 29/09/2010 11:44

I think that the people who run the world are the financial, capitalist men at the very top. It doesnt matter about all the rest of the frontmen as they are mere puppets working as a front for the agenda of the ones at the top. Not the average man and I dont believe that all men have priviledge, and that is why I want changes to benefit both men and women.

With the rape conviction rate I think it a obviously terrible when people get raped. However I have known 2 women that cried rape and hadnt actually been raped and later admitted it. (Both when I lived in different areas both with complicated backstories but the women did it for their own agenda). I think cases like this do more damage to credibility of rape victims and think the small minority of women that do those types of things have a lot to answer for.

Elephantsandmiasmas - I think with the people at the top of the forces being men I do think a lot is to do with men wanting to stay in. As soon as most women get pregnant they want to leave and if they didnt most were miserable and wished they could afford to leave. I only knew a few women that genuinely wanted to stay in. I worked for the Officer Commanding of the Squadron who was a woman and all lower officers were men. I was her PA and none of the men had their own PAs.

It isnt common for women ime to want to stay in though if they dont have to.

BecauseImWorthIt · 29/09/2010 11:49

And your point is, Sunny?

Sakura · 29/09/2010 11:53

sunny, we've discussed this. NObody, least of all feminists, are saying all men are as privileged as each other, least of all a socialist/Marxist like me, who has four working class brothers Shock
We're saying that all men are privileged over women under patriarchy. A rich woman is still a woman and will be treated accordingly in court, or by the medical institution, or by a rapist, or by an employer
This means that men who are the dregs of society get an advantage over women, just for being men

Sakura · 29/09/2010 11:54

I don'T believe all your single women friends cry on your shoulder, and I certainly don't believe this:

"I have known 2 women that cried rape and hadnt actually been raped and later admitted it. "

If you have a son, the chance of him being falsely accused of rape is negligible. The chance of your daughter being raped is quite high

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/09/2010 11:55

Beachcomber - do you want everyone to scooch back over the the cog-diss thread?

This was where we were making plans for the overthrow of civilisation? Or at least, other people were and I was frantically trying to guess the secret handshakes.

Cognitive Dissonance

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Trubert · 29/09/2010 12:01

This was such a fun thread.

I had to stop reading the second cognitive dissonance thread due to derailment.

What a pity this thread is going the same way.

AliceWorld · 29/09/2010 12:06

You see this is why the revolution hasn't happened yet. Hijacked every time. It's a conspiracy I tell you! Its like someone jamming someone's airwaves in some war or something that is vaguely in my memory but little more than that.

I say we decamp elsewhere to carry on our plotting. That will foil them. As long as we cover the thread in foil of course!

If we're going to launch our xmas catalogue in time for this year, we can't be distracted!

[tin hat on, foil wrap on, runs out gesturing for all to come with me. shuts door then throws in stink bomb for good measure]

Trubert · 29/09/2010 12:10

Follows Alice to the secret feminist hideout.

Trubert · 29/09/2010 12:10

Doh, how did I make that bold? Sorry.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/09/2010 12:20

i've dug us a new underground lair

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/09/2010 12:21

But not going to link as it's secret

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