Starmer getting tearful in his speech. Very touching

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I liked him.

Reeves I had forgotten about her she was looking down on people like she had a bad smell under her nose...treating people with utter disdain.

Well they have been handed their arses so to speak!

😂😂

Indeed. Getting rid of Reeves may have saved Starmer for a little while longer though. Keeping her was one of his most serious errors of judgement.

Yep sneering at people doesn’t generally play well. People can vote after all.

Just do some actual research love, it’s not hard. 😂

Yup, 100% agree, she was utterly hopeless, not just in her mistakes but her jeering patronising attitude.

What will happen when new Prime Minster finds he hasn’t got a magic wand, and nothing major changes in a good way, do they oust them too? If we end up in a worse mess whose fault will that be?
Changing PM’s every few years is not the way forward

Well - someone is being manipulated.

It’s true the NHS lists came down because they were being managed properly. But let’s take a scenario. Your mum needs a new hip. It’s a wait of 18 months. The NHS conducts a review of the list, and removes all those with surgery slots who have died, or gone private, or who for whatever reason no longer need the surgery.

Your mum gets a letter saying she can now have the surgery in 14 months.

In what world is this not a win, for your mum, and for the efficiency of the NHS?

Big Farage fan clearly.

If he already had his own money, why was he happy to accept thousands of pounds of undeclared donations from Lord Alli for himself and his family? What a morally repugnant act from a man completely lacking in any integrity.

Of course a 'secretary' in the NHS would know everything....

The reduction in waiting times has nothing to do with 'better management'. I suggest you do some research.

My big concern now is that Burnham is more to the left than Starmer, the country cannot afford a higher welfare bill.

People (who aren’t very bright) will think Farage is the answer, and that will be the final harakiri to the UK. It would be such a shame that the very man who inflicted brexit (and the start of the country’s decline) could potentially benefit from the whole debacle !! Hard to believe.

Andy Burnham has “zero experience of even being an MP”? What, Andy Burnham who was an MP for 16 years before becoming Manchester Mayor? Who was a government minister for the last five years of the last Labour government? Who was in cabinet for two, including as Health Secretary?

Or was that another Andy Burnham?

Of course she has, done the job for decades been there got the t shirt!
She has lived it day in day out.
It’s a mess far too many people to cope with.
Far better insight than you would have I’d say.
She sees the waiting lists for the consultants.

Indeed

I think he was very well paid in his previous job!

I haven’t seen anyone describe him as a crappy person tbh, I think he’s quite obviously a decent person who many don’t think is right for the job. What makes you think he’s a crappy person?

Then that makes his actions even worse and highlights just how far from a 'decent man' he was. It's quite astonishing to see how he managed to fool so many people on this forum. 😂

Big leap! But so what? 😂

You know there are other medical models like in Europe which are funded and work better?

We don’t have to put up with a crap NHS that can’t seem to work no matter the funding due to the fear mongering about a US system? Take a look at France for example before getting all worked up.

I’m sick of the NHS being a black hole of money and so utterly crap. I’m pregnant at the moment and it’s been absolutely bloody atrocious. I fear giving birth at this point. So whilst it’s ‘free’ (or better coined as tax payer funded), it has a cost which is its availability and quality of care.

No they are not being managed 'properly', they are being managed 'differently' to make the figures look improved.

Sorry that you've had such a rubbish experience.Our experience where my husband works is at the waiting list have gone down dramatically. Nationally they have as well.

Have you been hounded out of your job having barely completed half your contract as well? What a coincidence!

How can he be said to have treated any one individual badly? By all means criticise policy but ludicrous to say any PM treated individual voters badly.

At the cost of billions of pounds of tax payers money being given to private sector providers.