RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

I don’t agree that this is about emotional validation from KC to Harry. I think LaMarschallin is closer to the mark. Harry has a toxic combination of arrogance and low self esteem. Unfortunately, he married someone who can’t or won’t get to grips with how royalty functions in the real world. Both of them see slights where none exist and both rely on external, visible markers of status for their self-image and self-esteem.

Both Harry and Meghan suffered great trauma in childhood for which I think they deserve a lot of sympathy. Harry is also of well below average intelligence. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and is an easy mark for people who want to make money out of him. Both have alienated friends, family and support to the extent that they are quite isolated.

It’s really sad, but the collateral damage they’ve caused is enormous, and it’s not the job of KC, Ravec, the taxpayer or the courts to prop up two huge, fragile egos.

In which case you'll surely understand why your republican hero Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, has been asked to provide 4 weeks notice of his plans to visit his realm? Why he can't just rock up and demand specialised armed officers be on standby for him?

I think that, like a lot of things the Sussexes seem to do, there is really not much thought behind Harry’s demands for Special Protection. If he comes here on a planned visit, he can give notice and security will be sorted. The same if he had to come over for some sort of unforeseen event a death for example). If he is coming to visit his family, then again security will be no problem as he would be on one of the Royal estates. So what does he actually need security for? It’s not like they pop over for shopping trips. And when he has been to attend court cases, he has managed to do so safely 🤷‍♀️

@Sussurations Very good summing up.

It does seem like he just wants to win.

I get the sense that he wanted to come visit more often while “a friend” said that Meghan never wants to step foot in the UK again.

Given how marriages work, I can imagine this being an excuse for Meghan to refuse to travel to the UK. Could it be more about appeasing her and convincing his wife than actually feeling the current security is inadequate? Who knows.

What great trauma did Meghan endure?

I understand that Meghans mother was mostly off the scene for many years with her living mainly with her father. She seems to have been happy enough with this arrangement, but it may have been detrimental to a young girl? She didn't seem to get on particularly well with her step siblings as they were so much older. Maybe that had an affect on her psyche?

Yes, Meghan’s mother was not around for
quite a big part of her upbringing. I know there are internet rumours about it which I don’t want to get into as it is irrelevant to this discussion and none of our business.

Meghan has not directly spoken about her mother’s absence as far as I know, and seems to have a good relationship with her now. But it’s a big thing to happen to a child, plus dealing with her parents’ split and the various issues with her half siblings, as well as what seem to have been quite big financial changes in circumstances for her father/the family. That’s before considering the questions about racial identity which she herself has talked about being hard for her (which is understandable).

I can’t stand Meghan, but I feel very sorry for any child whose mother ‘leaves’ her, no matter what the reason, and I think she had a lot of very challenging experiences.

They have had very different childhoods but neither brought up in a family environment with 2 parents present
They both seem short of empathy so maybe there is a link there in their childhood experiences

I for one could not fathom how they recorded the Oprah interview- with apparent glee while Philip was on his deathbed and gave the Royal Family a kicking

That was the sign of two sociopaths inflicting pain and I do think was a form of emotional abuse at the most vulnerable time for the Queen and Philip

Personally and this could just be my opinion, I don't think either would have dared behave this way had Phillip been stronger and still assisting the Queen!

@Lockupyourbiscuits I agree. Regardless of your childhood issues it doesn't give you a free pass to hurt other people. What they did between them there was unforgivable

but I feel very sorry for any child whose mother ‘leaves’ her, no matter what the reason, and I think she had a lot of very challenging experiences.

I don’t know why, after writing this post full of insinuation, a poster would baulk at actually saying what the rumour is?

It didn’t happen. Do you think the evidence to support this rumour would not have been dug up by now? People have said some nasty things about Daria yet none of them have been substantiated.

Also, I ask why this particular rumour? Why suggest this particular thing of Meghan’s mother? Why?

All we that know about Daria is that she’s a dignified woman that has been quietly supportive of her daughter since we first ‘met’ her at her daughter’s wedding. And that she was terribly frightened for her daughter because of the threats made to her daughter’s life when she lived in the UK as part of the RF.

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No one is saying anything about Doria except she was missing for a chunk of MMs childhood. It's a fact and it would affect a young girl entering puberty without a mother living with her. Maybe Doria's business dealings took her away for weeks at a time like many parents jobs do? I believe she ran a travel agency in another state that went bankrupt?

You understand incorrectly then. Her parents had joint custody of her. This myth about her absent mother keeps cropping up on these boards, including the horrible and untrue claim she was in prison. Having a primary parent whose home you're based in, does not mean the other parent is not around. Meghan barely saw her step siblings, thank god. And met them only a few times in her life. They're 15+ years older than her.

her mother did NOT leave her, stop repeating gossip you see online. Neither Meghan or her father, have made this claim. They had joint custody, with her base changing. She has only ever spoken about wanting a bigger family and more siblings, but had a good relationship with both her parents most of her life.

Please stop lying about Doria, honestly it is disgusting. She was NOT MISSING.

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?

This spectacularly dodges the issue that Chuck's 'private income' deprives the public purse.

But crack on...

I don’t know why I typed in ‘Daria’. I know Meghan’s mother’s name is Doria.

Anyway, just acknowledging my mistake.

If I am wrong about Doria’s absence during Meghan’s childhood I apologise. I am not lying about it, I was under the honest impression that it was a generally known fact that she was not a present parent during the time Meghan lived with her father.

I maintain that the circumstances of Meghan’s childhood were traumatic - her parents splitting when she was very young and her life being divided between the two, with the additional
stress of her racial identity which she herself has talked about, and her older half siblings.

I also stand by my statement that I feel sorry for any child whose mother ‘leaves’ her - i
put it in quotation marks for a reason - we all know that children don’t always understand adults’ behaviour and I personally think it is really hard for children to move from one parent to the other, even for the best of reasons. If, as is now claimed, Meghan simply had a perfectly normal happy childhood despite her various challenges then that’s great.

Doris could have had a job that had shifts which made it logistically tricky to be a primary carer. Meghan may have preferred her father’s parenting to her mother’s boundaries aged 10.

It was interesting to be reminded by the media that William, Catherine and their three children travelling in the same car/on the same plane, was commented on by the late Queen as being unwise. If said car disappeared into a black hole, heaven forbid, then Harry's claims for better protection would suddenly become much more valid! The present line of succession is in desperate need of an overhaul.

The present line of succession is in desperate need of an overhaul.

A change in the law so somehow it's assigned differently? What change do you mean?

I think what we have at the moment is clear, follows hereditary principles and is now straightforward on age only

We probably do need to sort of royal titles for children in the female line, but that's not a succession issue in itself.

That someone in the succession is unpopular, or is living in a way that would not prepare them well either to assume the formal duties of head of state and to run extensive properties or to carry out the diplomatic, military, charitable and other duties we all expect of a monarch; that is just part of what comes with a hereditary system.

Even if there were changes, I don't think it would alter the principles on which RAVEC assign official security.

Yes, normal.

They tend not to do that with v young DC, as in early years it may be more important for them to have a period of relatively normal family life.

But as they grow up, it becomes normal for the parent who is the heir to travel separately, because then if anything happens to them, the DC still carries forward that line; or if they're OK and it's the DC who meet hypothetical misfortune, the possibility remains that the heir could idc go on to have a second family.

Just as an aside, while the thread is quiet, I noticed this today. It's about the security for royal residences & properties and not personal protection. I don't even know if the reports are true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12864037/police-private-contractors-Royal-security-familys-safety-experts.html