Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

Ah, mumsnet…. Where you can say “get fucked saddo” and still bleat on about being gaslit!

Get fucked ?
I wish 😂.

He didn't go to uni so your first point isn't true. And if course being bin the public eye means you need to be more circumspect.

Let me ask you, if you had a sister, say, who you fell out with and they kept ringing up your employers to tell stories about you, some with exaggerated or false details, how would you feel? Going into work, knowing that your managers knew things about you; that they were raising eyebrows at what they'd been told; that they were making decisions about your character and ability to do your job based on lies and half truths. Would you be happy about that? Would you think you're being treated fairly?

That's what Harry is doing to his family. And that's why people don't like him.

Did he really shoot a rhino? That is abhorrent

Erm, doubt it's less exuberance of youth vs him basically being a bit dim? He could have dressed as a pirate, a unicorn, a zombie... But no? He's a bit thick we all know this. He's not a 'sleb', frankly most of the daft buggers who are 'slebs', are just other nitwits who happen to be in the public eye too. He's a 'royal', and kudos to him for rejecting that, but let's face it the fella hasn't exactly got employability written all over him has he? Because what else could he do? So, how exactly can he 'pay his own way?'. Because he's not exactly got a head for finance or much else with his crappy GCSE's?... In the normal world he'd be lucky to get a gig at McDonald's. I guess that'd hardly pay for the lifestyle his family are stumping up for him & the next umpteen generations of his 'we don't need a handout' family

His mother seemed to have massive issues regarding her mental health. Doesn't seem a reach that he may too

I think it's a massive culture clash between LA syrupy and the Upper Classes. They rushed into the marriage and Harry didn't prepare her. AHarry was always jealous under the surface I think they bring out the worst in each other.. I think MM has ambition which isn't a bad thing but she wants billionaire status and wealth without having the raw talent or hard work to back it up. Like the Obama level of riches and influence.

It's telling none of projects have really been about her acting. It's selling stories to the press about her 18 months in the RF. After the book and netflix , theres nothing left to sell, they have been frozen out. How they are going to sustain a billionaire lifestyle on that is anyone's guess. They are blowing through money very quickly. I predict in 5 years they will be asking Charles for handouts.

As a married couple haven’t they spent longer moaning about the Royal family than actually working in it? What more can they have to say?

I wonder if the Windsor family will finally snap and say enough is enough ?

They could do so much good especially with their connections but they choose to keep going over old ground about their time in the RF, it must be exhausting not to be able to move forwards in life and keep going backwards, surely they need to move forwards at some point in their futures

No he joined the army and went to Afghanistan.

I agree with you OP.
Two things can be true at once; I absolutely believe Meghan received more criticism due to her race which is abhorrent. I also really don't like either of them.
The problem is that nuance seems to have all but disappeared in public discourse.

I think it was their absolute right to step back from royal duties in pursuit of a private life. But why, then, are they chasing publicity now? Netflix series about their private life, a memoir of his recollections of their private life in the last 6 years etc...
They claim to be advocates for mental health yet, to my mind, continually bully William and Kate particularly in the press as they know they are unable to respond to allegations like "normal" people as one day they will be King and Queen.
We the plebs must not fly to save the environment yet they take private jets everywhere.

There's a ton of examples but I find them hypocritical and self indulgent. The world is getting more unstable by the minute - people are suffering in Ukraine, China, Ethiopia through war, authoritarian regimes, draught and famine, as well as most people worldwide suffering economically. If it wasn't so droppingly tone deaf that we are supposed to sympathise with them, it would be laughable.

So if he has mh issues ???? What? Why?

Mother dying at 15 maybe ?
Publicly pimped out at her funeral maybe ?
Tours serving in war zones maybe ?

Give the bloke a fucking break !

Most of the royals have signed up for military duty. They do this to be 'one of the people', and show their commitment to the nation. In reality it means sweet fuck all. Do you think he was actively in threat of death?

He didn't go to uni because he didn't get the results to attend. Yet amazingly he qualified to be way higher in the army than someone else with a B in art & a D in geography

Bloody sure if I was in the army I'd prefer to not be overseen by someone who didn't know what part of a country was from another...

I have thus far been ambivalent towards them, and have had some sympathy, even.

But this photo of her crying while on her phone to big up their Netflix whatever, has actually tipped me right over into - just piss off, both of you.

You want people to leave you alone? Then just go away. Clear off. Seriously, just fuck off out of the public eye. How hard is it?

They won’t, though. So I have zero sympathy left for either of them, only a million 🙄

I think we have to remember that they were obviously planning this sort of documentary with their US PR company before they even left the RF. After the OW interview they were riding high and were popular in the US so this must have seemed a natural choice. It's just events overtook them, such as covid, the war and the global economic crash all of which makes them complaining about their life seem quite petty. They're a victim of circumstance.

Meghan seemed pretty happy with the final cut and they only need a couple of bombshells and they could gain back popularity. The public is fickle and you never know what will make them sympathetic again.

Well exactly, no? You're either in or out? And they can choose to be out of the public eye, or living it up like a toned down reality show? They have enough money to live the average person's life 100x over. So they can happily bugger off into obscurity and do just that? But yet they can't seem to leave being in the media alone?

Well you do sound a bit unhinged, dear.

I absolutely adore them BOTH. As an American living in England I suspected from the beginning that Megan would suffer from the culture shock and xenophobia. Then of course there’s the racism, all compounded by the fact that she fought back. I’m glad she and Harry are living a fabulous life in sunny, warm Montecito.

Exactly.

The photo is so obviously - and manipulatively - designed to garner huge sympathy.

But it has had the exact opposite affect on me, and I suspect many others.

I’ve gone from having some sympathy - to actually feeling angry towards two people who mean nothing to me..!?

Seriously - I really do wish the two of them would just fuck off, and leave us all alone. It would solve all their problems.

You lot are OBSESSED with Harry and Meghan. This is why they get book deals and Netflix contracts. You hate them but they seem to be the reason you wake up in the morning. Weirdos 😂

And I bet you will watch the documentary and read his book!!

I LOVE them too 😍

Op I completely agree with you. I was just today looking at the photo of Harry in a nazi outfit wondering how he can accept this award when his past seems to be buried under the carpet. I am mixed race and I feel angry that H&M are blaming racism for people not liking Meghan.
I would have had so much respect for them if they had of left the royal family and denounced their titles. I would still prefer for them to lose their existing titles and while I know this means Harry will still be prince Harry and Meghan would be princess Henry that’s a much better option in my opinion.

I wish there were half as many posts criticising Prince Andrew for partying with pedophiles as there are of Megan and Harry for saying they don't like racism.

Andrew's sins are in the past - Meghan and Harry are the gift that just keeps on giving, and if only it was them just saying they don't like racism. They are whiny and self-important, love to point out everyone's shortcomings and have such big egos they seem to think that they have none. What is it they actually do other than talk? A woman who doesn't get on with her own family and then manages to alienate her partner from his, especially when he always seemed happy enough beforehand, is not to be trusted.

Andrews sins are in the past ????

Seriously?

Tell that to his dead mates - I'm sure that will give a huge amount of comfort.

Oh and and you might want to ask his victims if they feel the same way ....

You know what makes me laugh ? As a cop I get crucified for not prosecuting sex offenders. And there you are making lovely excuses for one because he's posh .
Fab.

They have bad genetics. Probably.

Diana too wasn’t very academic, was she? She was always reputed to have EQ rather than IQ, but that doesn’t seem to have passed to her sons 🤷‍♀️