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Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 03/12/2022 23:02

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

  1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.
  1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
  2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

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Sceptre86 · 04/12/2022 07:23

@MarshaMelrose there isn't a nice way to call someone a paki. Its offensive full stop. Person he said it about was a soldier who got into Sandringham on merit not because his granny was Queen. The soldiers father was rightly appalled at the time and said as much buy it got glossed over to protect the indulgent, entitled prince. He can still marry a mixed race woman and be a racist towards other races. He only objects to racism now its directed at the women he lives or his children. It only hurts because uts directed at his family.

I dislike Harry because of his victim mentality because I do believe he is a racist, entitled male, the very definition of white privilege but can't see it. He's tone deaf. He should have prepared her for what it is actually like to be royal not gone along with her wishy wasn't ideas about change. If change is to come about in the Royal family them it will come from the higher ranking members, the very idea that as aneewcomer she could instil change in the monarchy was absurd and he should have told her that.

I think she is a very intelligent women and does care about women's rights and I do like that about her. I enjoy her podcast. I dislike that she lies so much, many of her truths have been disproved and their Oprah interview should have been face checked when it came to title rules and the like before it was aired. I do not belive she did no reading on the royal family at all. I do believe people within the firm were racist towards her, be it just people that help them or work for them. She was subject to racism on the media. I understand the anger that causes but if they wanted to walk away they should have given up the titles and money and moved on. That would have demonstrated integrity. Instead they are trying to milk it for all its worth and all the tell all takes make them seem petulant.

WeWereInParis · 04/12/2022 07:32

Mamaneedsadrink · 04/12/2022 06:26

Random question, was this show intended to come out around this time? (Ie did they wait for the Queen to pass first? Or would it have anyway? )

Netflix never confirmed it but I think it was generally expected to come out around now, with Harry's book coming out shortly after (January I think?)

TrashyPanda · 04/12/2022 07:32

Harry was 19, it was almost two decades ago and he has apologised

no, he hasn’t.

there was a statement put out. Big difference. A third party statement versus publically owning up to his vile racism.

he has never personally apologised for his racism

PicturesOfDogs · 04/12/2022 07:33

Ivyonafence · 03/12/2022 23:42

Just curious, what good would it do for Megan to go on record condemning something Harry did when he was a teenager and has already apologised for? How would that even work? Would she make an instagram post or what?

She'd be ripped to shreds and accused of attention seeking and throwing Harry under the bus.

The woman can't win no matter what she does.

Far from apologised for it, he’s never even publicly acknowledged his own racism…

Diverseopinions · 04/12/2022 07:34

I wondered too, what Meghan meant when she said words to the effect of: 'When the stakes are so high, doesn't it make sense to hear our story from us?'

What stakes? She is unconsciously revealing the fact that she thinks she is playing in some high profile poker game with the Royal Family. Her statement, dressed up as a question, makes me think that she likes to dramatise herself, and this is what I don't like about her conduct. People of integrity do what they have to do and say what they need to say, and then ignore the surrounding commentary, because they have a more important path in life to focus upon, and they know that the furore surrounding them is temporary, will shift, will die down.

For Meghan, the furore surrounding her is the whole point. She has no actual aim or purpose aside. As a previous poster says, she is not an expert in anything. I don't want to hear her views. There is a very simple way of supporting the good causes which she holds dear, and that is to get rid of her 14 million dollar mansion, with more bedrooms to heat and clean than four people need, and give their surplus earnings and inheritance to the needy. I despise her self-indulgent/ self-aggrandisising lifestyle choice. She needs spacious grounds for privacy, but if she didn't keep herself and Harry in the public eye, she wouldn't have such great security needs. I despise people who flaunt and indulge their wealth in that way, especially when their means of sustaining it are tenuous, as they have no solid foundation of expertise on which to comfortably rest their earning power. Their acumen is almost entirely dependent on their popular appeal.

I think that some people have very good skills for using the media to earn a living. Katie Price is one such British individual who seems to keep her profile in the public eye. The Kardashians make money out of their appeal - but then they also sell products - make up and clothes - which people want to buy. If Meghan brought out a lip gloss that was good, I'd buy it, and would have no objection to her keeping herself as the brand. She looks good and has a universal kind of appeal and can present different styles of beauty very well. I don't want 'victim of the Royal Family' to be the brand, because this detracts from genuine victims.

I don't want to hear what she has to say about service and kindness, and because she is clearly unkind to her father and to the Princess of Wales, and she defies all her stances on the environment with everything she believed in, including the enormous scale of the upkeep needed on her home and her private jetting. Even publishing 'Spare' most of cost a good few trees their lives. She isn't channelling any original initiatives for saving the environment, because she isn't really tuned in that way, and so I'm minded to think the stance is just hyperbole.

It also looks like she is trying to pull down the British Royal Family, which for all sorts of Constitutional reasons, I think is worth keeping. I like the formal way that King Charles and government advisors hauled the whole splendid pageant and machinery of the monarchy into operation for the visit of the South African President. I felt that that performance, which is like the icing on the fruit cake of diplomacy, created good links with African trade partners, and showed an appropriate respect for that country's leader. I think Meghan and Harry f*** up their chance to do something for constructive relationships with the South African people, by, on their visit, moaning about POOR LITTLE US, and failing to be subdued into respectful silent by meeting with teenage girls who are learning self defence skills to escape from would-be racists.

Simple for me, sell the multi- million dollar California residence and give what you don't need to that particular South African women's right project, and I will think again and view the couple with fresh eyes again.

Slowdayinfleetstreetisit · 04/12/2022 07:36

Obviously my opinion is only based on what I’ve seen on them via the media but I like them. She reminds me of a lot of women I work with in the US.

Your list of likes and dislikes could be applied to anyone, nobody is perfect and were I in the public gaze I’m sure people would find many things about me they dislike.

How anyone can justify the amount of vitriol MM received via the UK press is beyond me, Piers Morgan and other right wing press (although I don’t think he believes himself to be right wing) pulled her to pieces and continue to do so. Nobody deserves that, it’s awful.

Skodacool · 04/12/2022 07:38

Have a read of Tom Bower’s book Revenge to see how Meghan has form for lying and manipulation.

ComfortablyDazed · 04/12/2022 07:39

How anyone can justify the amount of vitriol MM received via the UK press is beyond me, Piers Morgan and other right wing press (although I don’t think he believes himself to be right wing) pulled her to pieces and continue to do so. Nobody deserves that, it’s awful.

So why don’t they just GO AWAY and live a private life, out of the public eye..??

No-one seems able to explain this.

loislovesstewie · 04/12/2022 07:40

I find it hypocritical of the pair of them that they want to step away from royal life but only get paid huge sums by constantly telling everyone all about royal life.We none of us know any of them, so I'm, not commenting on any other aspects, but if you want to earn a living don't complain about the very people you are exploiting to get by, and don't moan that your dad isn't coughing up for you when you are approaching 40. If they were Meg and Harry from the estate down the road no one would care 2 hoots about them and his dad wouldn't be subbing him.

Slowdayinfleetstreetisit · 04/12/2022 07:42

Also the thing about going no contact with her family. As someone who did the same, it’s a really tough decision and is really painful (not just for MM to anyone whose had to go through it).

I do think if you think all they are publicity hungry awful people then don’t watch the documentary, don’t listen to the podcast and don’t buy the book. I don’t like Nigel Farage and seem to get by without ever having to see or read anything he says because I choose not to. If people make you feel this angry then just avoid them, it’s not like you need to deal with them IRL.

HarvestThyme · 04/12/2022 07:44

Oh, thank the heavens. Finally. An OP brave enough to point a judgemental. spotlight at the behaviour of two famous people she doesn't know and who have nothing to do with her. Thank God for you, OP. And for everyone who likes a mean-spirited pile-on. Bravo. You are online humanity at its finest.

Kitcaterpillar · 04/12/2022 07:44

Bloody sure if I was in the army I'd prefer to not be overseen by someone who didn't know what part of a country was from another...

Harry was known to be a good and well-liked soldier.

Pipsquiggle · 04/12/2022 07:47

This is all for the US market and trying to make as much money as they can.

Vallmo47 · 04/12/2022 07:52

I agree OP. They can’t in one breath say they just want to live their lives in peace and quiet and in the other criticise their lack of protection and safety when travelling, due to them being in the public eye. Go live that quiet life you desired- I didn’t mind that decision at all, it was theirs to make. I feel so sorry for their children who will likely grow up hating his side of the family without even giving them a chance. At the end of the day, William (for one) is their uncle and I’m sure he will grieve the loss of not actively being one. I could never turn my kids against family like this, it’s up to them to form their own opinions. The whole thing is tragic.

orbitalcrisis · 04/12/2022 07:57

I dislike them because the Daily Mail told me to and I've never had an independent thought in my life.

MeowwandAnder · 04/12/2022 08:03

@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog

I think the whole thing represents a bigger debate rather than ‘Harry and Megan’. I certainly think hate is too strong a word.

I think the bigger debate is about media portrayal. It’s frankly - ridiculous - how they are constantly in the headlines for perceived fault - when there is so much else that deserves better coverage or criticism.

Yet the media - and what is read - what sells - is based on the readership. It’s us, we read it - we buy into it.

I think the criticism they get is very much out of proportion with what they actually do. They literally cannot breath without getting it wrong.

I think us - the readers - are wallowing in the gossip. So we are probably the ones responsible for the circus.

It’s also about ‘wokeness’ which is the big cultural debate. Unconscious bias IS a thing - so I think there could be a racial element. I think it’s good that we question and address that with our monarchy - both historically and now. It’s too easy to say “I’m not racist” - without addressing some ingrained beliefs. If you listen to cricket commentator Michael Holding on the subject, and his experiences - the fact that everything from our education to the way we purchase things in a shop - there is a bias towards white privilege. The more this is discussed - the better.

I also think there is a left wing/right wing divide - the woke v’s anti woke debate.

So I think they’ve become the ‘love to hates’ - because they represent/or are holding a mirror up to something not particularly pleasant in human nature. That being : gossipy media, the left/right wing debate, and wokeness.

I would have backed down by now, so I sort of admire their resilience.

But yes - I can see a healthy dollop of hypocrisy in what they do. I think when addressing racism - you need to question yourself, your past - where you went wrong. Harry hasn’t done this and his fancy dress/language in the army is well documented and has been glossed over by themselves.

Stunningscreamer · 04/12/2022 08:05

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 04/12/2022 00:14

No, not at all invested are you? Hmm Don't feel sorry for me, I don't need your pity. It's a shame you can't ignore threads that clearly distress you so much. Take care x

It's so nasty OP. Keep on churning out awful stuff castigating a woman you don't know and hasn't hurt you personally in any way. All of the stuff you're recycling is just hearsay from journalists paid to churn this stuff out and probably briefed about by the royal household.

It's just like all the stuff that used to be churned out about Princess Diana until she died and then she became Queen of Hearts.

When will it be enough? When will you feel you've got it off your chest bitching about the poor woman? I'm sure she's flawed like all of us, but really the vitriol she has had to put up with is way, way out of proportion to any behaviour.

As for not replying to a thread because I don't agree with the OP, well you obviously don't understand MN. No wonder threads about M&H keep being deleted. They're always so damn unpleasant.

Diverseopinions · 04/12/2022 08:07

Reading back over what I wrote, I think that is a good point about the trees and the publishing of 'Spare'. If you were really an eco person, you would say, 'Hey, we can't publish these huge great tomes in paper form, it's such a waste of trees. Let's say online copies only'.

If you weren't very good at doing initiatives on your own, you could join up with an expert friend to think of a really high-value way of doing a virtual book, and making it special or interactive, linked to archives of relevant photos or whatever, but it's like the saving the planet cause has now taken a back seat, in favour of the high stakes conflict with the Royal Family, which is being presented as factual, real and pressing. This is what I find insincere about Meghan. If she was truly ecologically passionate, she would thread that passion through everything she does and not print hard copy books, and not live in a too-big home. She wore that mantle when she thought she needed an identity, and now she is so important she doesn't need a simple life identity.

The attitude towards the Royal Family seems insincere on a level that it is like a caricature of somebody being insincere. In reality, the hate doesn't truly exist. The Queen, before her death, said the Meghan and Harry were very much loved. The beef, all this 'high stakes' nonesense is Meghan's hype. The choice of gambling terminology is a Freudian slip which betrays her own high risk attitude towards her life.

What exists is a family disagreement, like many others, which without the constant pouring of petrol on the flame, would simmer down and die, like most family disagreements. The Sussex pair haven't been shut out. They were invited to the Queen's funeral. Superficially nice things are said about them, officially. The beef and animosity is all one-sided. The Royals haven't publicly berated them. So how that ' high stakes' comment fits in is hard to say, since they aren't going to be losing any money by what the Royals might do, only by what they themselves might do, and they have inheritances to fall back on. So 'high stakes' must mean M and H have decided to play a high stakes game of poker, taking on the Royal Family head on - the prize being status as the new modern royals of California.

Whydidimarryhim · 04/12/2022 08:10

They wanted to move away from “being noticed” - wanting privacy - f… off then.
I like the way she was looked at by Kate and Sophie - she couldn’t take there glares and turned away - she’s a coward who likes to bully others.
She is deeply troubled - Harry isn’t happy - clips show him sighing or pulling his hand away from hers - once we’ve seen the Netflix show and the book is out - read and digested - WTF will they do then to make money. Bye Bye!!! 😁

slowquickstep · 04/12/2022 08:11

Ivyonafence · 03/12/2022 23:44

I wish there were half as many posts criticising Prince Andrew for partying with pedophiles as there are of Megan and Harry for saying they don't like racism.

I am sure if Andrew wrote a book or filmed a show bitching and whining there would be dozens of threads about him. He hasn't but they have, so we will talk about them

WeWereInParis · 04/12/2022 08:14

Reading back over what I wrote, I think that is a good point about the trees and the publishing of 'Spare'. If you were really an eco person, you would say, 'Hey, we can't publish these huge great tomes in paper form, it's such a waste of trees. Let's say online copies only'.

This is what I find insincere about Meghan. If she was truly ecologically passionate, she would thread that passion through everything she does and not print hard copy books

In this and your previous post about Spare, you've not mentioned Harry when making this point. It's his book!

pinkstripeycat · 04/12/2022 08:22

PincessofWellies · Today 00:22
Harry was only 12 when his mother died, whereas William was a little older and consequently could process the loss better.

This is absolute rubbish.william has agreed with Harry in camera and said he struggled massively too.

My DS2 is the age William was when Diana died. I wouldn’t say he’d be able to process my death any easier than when he was 12. He’s at a vulnerable age and still needs his mum. He wouldn’t cope and I could see him going off the rails.

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/12/2022 08:24

It was widely publicised a few days before the Queen’s death that Harry had refused to visit his grandmother even though he was in the U.K. More recently, there was an article claiming he repeatedly called HMQ about money. As a result she asked KC to take Harry’s calls to sort it out, he refused stating he is not a bank.

I don’t think H&M are all good or all bad and I can well understand from their world view why they have been deeply upset.

What I cannot understand is how there are still people, who think they have done nothing wrong and had zero part to play in the way the situation is panning out.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 04/12/2022 08:25

'When the stakes are so high, doesn't it make sense to hear our story from us?'

I thought we did? Wasn't that what the Oprah interview was all about?

BorisisaLune · 04/12/2022 08:30

I like them both.

They called out racism in the Royals and the UK, judging by the support that vile woman Hussey got.

Lets face it, MM is black and people in the UK will always have a go at black people, be it Rashford, Abbott or MM.... others who do similar are given a free pass.

As for hypocrisy? what could be worse than listening to William bleat on about climate change, whilst flying around the world, just why does he have to be in Boston USA ? or any of the other places he will be flying too over the next 12 months?

If he really is passionate about climate, he wouldn't do it, he'd set an example.

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