Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

Yes he did. When he was doing his army tours.

We don't see him in the press dissing everyone either

Haha. The op is over 50 lines. But you've given us the TL:DR version. Succinct and to the point. 😁

Or doing anything but staying at home and just getting on with it. If M and H did this no one would remember them now. I went to see Queens grave today and was struck by the fact that if William lives another 50 years and dies at 90 that no one will probably remember he had a brother until older who are around talk about the fact there was Harry.

Older people are around to discuss fact they remember Harry.

Andrew did receive criticism after his interview. If he wrote a book and made a six hour documentary series on how tough his life is, he'd receive equal criticism. The fact that Andrew says nothing, showing he's more self-aware than Harry and Meghan says reams about their characters.

And Andrew isn’t the brightest either. So says a hell of a lot.

As far as the royals go I find it frankly amazing that with that level of wealth at your fingertips. They still seem to generate 'dumb' kids. Surely they should be exceptional academically? Yet, no... They seem to just churn out numpties with questionable results?

Well they were colleagues…

Also do you think a fellow soldier would feel able to bring a complaint against the Big Boss's grandson? I doubt it.

It's the inbreeding

I do feel for William too - though he seems more of the stiff upper lip aristocratic type while Harry seems more passionate and emotional in temperament like his late mum. Or at least more outspoken.

This makes me quite angry, actually. Why do you think people who have little self-control or who show their emotions more, feel more than those who don't. Who are you to judge that? Why do you presume that if one the children had died, Charles wouldn't have been as devasted as Diana?

I guess you'd say my dad had a stiff upper lip. When his brother died at 42, he didn't say much. But it tore his heart out he was so destroyed. Does that make him less worthy of compassion because he wasn't tearing his shirt open, beating his breast and pulling his hair out? Do you think he loved his brother and felt less pain than someone who never stopped emotionally crying? Do people have to openly demonstrate their grief for you to judge the depth of their feeling before you give equal compassion? How presumptuous of you.

Andrew was discussed a lot on here, don't downplay that.

I find Harry especially very, very short-sighted.

He is complaining about his childhood? He is one of the most privileged people to have ever lived! He should be bending over backwards helping out in Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan if he wants any kudos for his opinion on poverty, mental health, child protection etc ad. Nauseum.

Remember he shot that rhino in Africa? And wore that Nazi Halloween costume?

And his wife chirps on about her heritage and roots? From the California mansion?

And you expect me to value their opinion?

They absolute fucking meglomaniacs

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2560871/Crackshot-Harry-buffalo-killer-Picture-emerges-princes-call-protect-wildlife.html

Well, there's got to be something amiss? Because let's face it none of them are exactly winning colouring in contests on their own merits

This . With bells on .

I think they are quite genuine.
Harry was made to walk at 15 years old publicly behind his mother's coffin for pomp and ceremony.
He has done tours of Afghan, started the invictus games , and seems a perfectly decent human being married to a perfectly decent human being , having a normal family life and bowing out of being paid for by the taxpayer .

What's not to like . Really ?

Some people might not know the background to what happened. They might therefore think he used the term actually in order to bully and belittle. But clearly that was not his intention, even if that might have been the result. He felt they were friends and he said it to be pally.

As I said, what he said was unacceptable and he's behaving like a bit of a twat these days (I honestly can't work out what the hecks going on with him) but if we are holding him to account for his past misdemeanours, we have to be fair and honest about all the facts. That's how I feel anyway.

This.

I'm with you @Nolosomi

And Harry apologised for that fancy dress incident years ago @PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog 🤔 is he supposed to bring it up every time he talks about racism now? Get real.

That stupid costume - it was a fancy dress party at uni - name me one student who hasn't done something wanky while at uni ?
It's only an issue because he in the public eye . Stupid exuberance of youth . Like millions before him .

I really do t get the hate . I'd rather he be paying his and his families own way like any sleb rather than sponging off the taxpayer .

@MarshaMelrose completely agree.

Purely based on news reports which don’t tell the full story (or any of the correct story!) Diana was leaning on William and he was pushing tissues under the bathroom door while she was in there crying. So he has just as much, if not more, reason to be messed up by his mother than Harry.

He was lucky in that he met someone with a stable family background who was willing to marry him. Unlike Harry. I think Harry was well aware that the whole royal family way of life was very offputting to the women he dated or was interested in dating.

Nolosomi · Today 00:20
@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog Sorry? Are you asking me not to have freedom of speech? It’s a right in this country. I bet Meghan despises people like you. Im not distressed I just have a voice. Want to try to silence me? Get F@‘d saddo.

Reported.
Unpleasant in the extreme.

Harry didn’t go to university

Nasty hypocrites whose only earning power comes from monetising their bitterness and resentment.

Ok - but who hasn't done something a bit daft in their youth ? I find it odd that some fancy dress party 10 years ago is held against anyone really . I'm sure a lot of youngsters do dubious things - it's not really newsworthy.

I just cannot find the energy to dislike someone who actually seems like a caring pretty decent person - he's given up his privilege as a member of the royal family, he's given up the titles and the state sponsored wage . I respect that .
I've been watching the crown - yeah it's fictional but the facts aren't - when the queen wanted the government to foot the bill for a millions of pounds refurb for Britannia despite the country being in deep recession.....Harry seems to be in touch with people - his mother was flawed but she also had a gift for understanding people . I think he is the same . I wish him well . He seems like a decent fella who has gone against the grain to do his own thing . I rather like that .