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The royal family

Harry’s podcast

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smilesy · 13/05/2021 21:27

Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

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Roussette · 14/05/2021 16:53

Summer you are becoming increasingly angry. I've listen to all the podcast. Have you listened to any of it?
I didn't agree with some of the things he said, but on the whole it was good.

It lasts 1hr30 and you are talking about 1 minute of it.

ajandjjmum · 14/05/2021 16:56

I think it's about time that Auntie Anne was dispatched to the States, to pass on a few home truths about support, loyalty and equipping your DC to survive without a royal title.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 14/05/2021 16:57

[quote Roussette]@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Call me what you like, I don't mind.

Strange to make it personal though.
Oh well

I don't object to reasonable discussion, I wish we could always do that. However, amongst the stupid insulting names for them and the names they are called continually, it is hard to see the real discussion at times.[/quote]
Excuse me, how did I make it personal? I pointed out that suggesting they have done well by moving to the US, to get away from the 'toxic' British press, is frankly ridiculous given how terribly the paparazzi behave in the States as well.

I said that for someone who isn't a fan, you spend a lot of time objecting to any criticism of them. How is this personal? I'm sorry but it's frankly odd to be so invested in them the way you appear to be.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/05/2021 16:57

Charles has never said his father screwed him up in a very public way. He may think that privately, but he’s never done what Harry is doing

And Charles' grief at Prince Phillip's funeral was palpable. He would never have spoken like this of his father, even if he wished that some parts of his upbringing had been different.

MmeLaraque · 14/05/2021 16:57

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

There are very few people in the world that are happy having no family whatsoever, effectively orphans. Being cut out or cut off from your family and closest friends is serious, it is usually extremely painful and even the biggest champion of NC will tell you the deep pain of ending your parental relationship. He has also taken all of those potentially enriching relationships away from Archie, who had no choice in the matter. I don't believe Harry is happy at all, if he were happy he would be enjoying his life and not bleating and moaning about it every five minutes.
There are very few people in the world that are happy having no family whatsoever, effectively orphans. Being cut out or cut off from your family and closest friends is serious, it is usually extremely painful and even the biggest champion of NC will tell you the deep pain of ending your parental relationship.

That would depend on the nature of the parental/family relationship. If it's as toxic as some I've seen, the nature of NC is so much more peaceful. Of the many people I know who've gone NC, not one of them regrets it. The only regret is that they didn't do it earlier (years earlier, in most cases). It isn't that they have "no family" either. They've chosen to not have contact with their parents/other relatives, for very good reason. The people who've gone NC are at peace. They don't mind talking about their experiences, because they aren't the ones who fucked up.

For example, when asked how their parents are, I'm told that they they reply "I've no idea. My parents are not allowed to contact or approach me or my family." Some will explain (briefly) why, some won't. It depends largely on who's asking.

I don't believe Harry is happy at all, if he were happy he would be enjoying his life and not bleating and moaning about it every five minutes. He was *asked to share his story, in order to help other people. So he did. All of this is noted during the first few minutes of the podcast. I'm wondering how many posting here have actually listened to it.

GrouchyKiwi · 14/05/2021 16:58

Looking at the snippets people have shared (I have no interest in listening to the whole podcast), I don't think what Harry has said was that bad. It would have been kinder to his family at this time to change the topic to something more like the impact of losing a parent so young and how his MH has been affected, what has helped get through that, but I don't think saying that he would do things differently is that big a problem.

He will discover, as all parents have, that some of their ideas have to change as the children get older.

Summercocktailsinthesnow · 14/05/2021 16:59

I am not angry at all, just very very sad for little Archie.

I couldn't care less about H&M but there is a small innocent child in the middle of this shit storm, and he deserved better from the adults around him. They should have done much more to protect him Sad

Just shows you privilege and money really doesn't buy you the things that really count in life.

smilesy · 14/05/2021 16:59

Apparently, “genetic pain” is an actual theory.

www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/mind/genetic-pain-can-inherit-parental-trauma/

I realise this is behind a paywall, but basically what it is saying is that there are some theories that pain and trauma can be inherited through our genes. Many scientists disagree with this however, saying that it is more likely that this is learned behaviour. It is a theory that has some popularity in California apparently. Obviously, we don’t know if Harry meant it literally or if he was talking about some learned behaviour that has been passed down. I would have thought, however, that if it was genetic, it would be difficult to “break the cycle” as he puts it.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 14/05/2021 16:59

Much as I do not agree with Rousette on her take on Harry, I concur that two children brought up in the same household can have wildly different experiences. There are so many threads on this. Including the stately homes threads. I have also written about my childhood on here.

I was and am still treated very differently. Inferior. I suppose for different reasons Harry feels the same. But I do not agree that he had to air his grievances publicly. I think actually he is screaming out for help and doesn’t know where to go. It’s really sad. And it’s going to massively mess up his kids as so many others have commented.

I think the therapy Harry has received has focused on the wrong things. I think he needs therapy to come to terms with the fact his mother wasn’t perfect, to get angry with her. This is the only way he can finally grieve her passing. Putting a dead parent on a pedestal is not healthy. I speak from personal experience having lost a parent as a child.

Harry seems very bitter and parenting in bitterness can lead to striving to parent the opposite way rather than finding a new way. This does not translate into positive parenting. Therefore right now, I see nothing of his desire to break the cycle.

It seems very odd that both Meghan and now Harry have heavily and publicly praised their fathers and now are so deriding. The coincidence has not passed many by and when I had therapy, my therapist made a comment about the two most fucked up people in the room being drawn to one another. I think this happened with H&M. They recognised themselves in the other. I don’t think they’re good for one another. They each needed someone to nurture their souls. Not egg them on to scorn, humiliate and deride their respective families.

As for the RF, I don’t doubt they have many faults. However, they are actually grey rocking in the never complain, never explain. As is recommended on here.

IcedPurple · 14/05/2021 16:59

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

PH declared at the start of that podcast that he was asked to share his story to help others

Is that a joke?

How is it ever supposed to 'help' others? How to become spiteful, vindictive and self absorbed ....as H&M have cornered the market when it comes to those qualities. It was simply a nasty cheap shot aimed to hurt the RF and put the desperate H&M in the headlines again. Nothing more to it than that I am afraid.

All we are learning right now is how low they will sink to get the headlines from the media they hate so much.

I agree. "Mental health" - defined in a very vague way - is, for want of a better word, quite 'trendy' right now. It's considered 'brave' for celebrities to 'share' their 'struggles with mental health'. In some ways that's a good thing, but in this case, it's just an embittered, spoiled little man offloading his resentments towards his family in public. Nothing 'brave' about it.

I also don't see how it's going to help anyone. If you don't have a famous family and can't profit from whining about them on TV, what do you do? Bitch about them on Facebook? How is that helping anyone to move forward?

Roussette · 14/05/2021 17:00

I'm sorry but it's frankly odd to be so invested in them the way you appear to be.

Comments like this. There are far more posters who post about them far more than me, yet you single me out.
Strange.

derxa · 14/05/2021 17:00

@Angiedx

Why would you wish away a wife and child who someone loves wholeheartedly

With out quoting verbatim as the bible says
A man will grow and leave his mother and father and become one with his wife

Is that not what the Queen as the head of the C of E and Charles as the future head would want

The Bible also says 'Honour thy father and thy mother'
Frezia · 14/05/2021 17:00

Yeah, that bit about sharing his story to help others is a bit funny. They're doing these interviews for themselves - I'm perfectly OK with that, but making it to be some sort of public service is blatant PR.

MmeLaraque · 14/05/2021 17:01

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMindraw I said that for someone who isn't a fan, you spend a lot of time objecting to any criticism of them. How is this personal? I'm sorry but it's frankly odd to be so invested in them the way you appear to be.. So, it's odd to take a few moments to defend them, but not remotely odd to complain about and attack whatever they do? Okay. Hmm

CokeDrinker · 14/05/2021 17:04

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind It is far more odd to be so invested in hating them yet you say nothing about some of the unhinged hate H and M get on here. Why is it 'odd' to be so 'invested' in 'defending' H/M, but not odd for those who hate them (with a passion, if you read some of the more unhinged posts) to be so obsessed and invested in posting on every H/M thread, as many of the haters on here do?

Enough with the passive aggressive attacks on defenders, how about you look at the odd and obsessed haters who seek out every H/M thread to spread hate and poison?

Roussette · 14/05/2021 17:04

I am not angry at all, just very very sad for little Archie

Why?

He has two loving parents who will talk to him about what he needs to know as his age allows.
I feel far far more sorry for W&K's three growing up in a gilded cage like they are.
That is not a criciticism of W&K's parenting before anyone jumps on me.
It's the system and how they are going to cope with it in the future.

MargaretFraggle · 14/05/2021 17:04

Good post @Mummyoflittledragon

callingon · 14/05/2021 17:04

Baffled by this thread - I don’t understand why I’m supposed to think the RF is a wholesome family. Imagine the AIBU - my husband’s uncle is friends with a sex offender and his mum doesn’t seem to think it’s a problem. The family has a weird history - I think his great aunt drank herself to death and his dad had a very public affair. I think his brother is depressed and might have had an affair too! AIBU to say I don’t want to see them? It’s awkward because they do a lot together but I don’t think my husband likes spending g time with them.

Roussette · 14/05/2021 17:07

Coke tis always been the same. Those that criticise them get carte blanche amongst each other at finding negativity in anything H&M do.
Yet, come and defend them against false statements, nasty insults, made up stuff... and we're 'over invested' and it gets personal.

I know which side I'd prefer to be on.

Samcro · 14/05/2021 17:07

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

It is weeks like this one when the RF must have wished so much for Harry to have married Chelsy Davy, this would never have happened with her. Or any of the others for that matter. All had far too much grace, dignity and decorum to even consider a nasty vendetta of this kind.
Wonder why you think that? How do you know what grace and dignity they have. Laughable if not so blatant.
StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 14/05/2021 17:08

Yeah @MmeLaraque , that's exactly what I said Hmm

It's an over investment either way is it not, to either repeatedly criticising them or posting about them as though they basically can do no wrong all the time?

Out and out nastiness towards them is clearly not on but people are allowed to comment- and I can see why some people don't exactly hold them in high regard.

Roussette · 14/05/2021 17:09

@callingon'

That made me laugh, so true!

CokeDrinker · 14/05/2021 17:10

@Roussette

Coke tis always been the same. Those that criticise them get carte blanche amongst each other at finding negativity in anything H&M do. Yet, come and defend them against false statements, nasty insults, made up stuff... and we're 'over invested' and it gets personal.

I know which side I'd prefer to be on.

Absolutely.
Maggiesfarm · 14/05/2021 17:10

@smilesy

This bit made me snort my tea:

The Duke suggested that the fairytale dream of princes and princesses was out of step with reality.

“My wife had the most amazing explanation to that: ‘You don't need to be a princess, you can create the life that will be better than any princess.’

So why insist on a title for Archie?

Did he insist on a title for Archie or was he asked if he would have liked one and ....... you get my drift.

I haven't listened to the podcast so can't comment yet.

Roussette · 14/05/2021 17:11

It's an over investment either way is it not, to either repeatedly criticising them or posting about them as though they basically can do no wrong all the time?

So would you like to pick out someone who is obsessedly criticising them too?
Or is it just someone sticking up for them that is 'over invested'.