Harry’s podcast

[smilesy]

Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

Someone got there before him with the same sentiments.

But Harry didn't read the last line. :)

This Be The Verse
BY PHILIP LARKIN

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.

They may not mean to, but they do.

They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,

Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

You bitched about the nanny but we’re not supposed to even mention the others parenting

You do like to twist things. I never bitched. Please take that back. I was illustrating the point that I cannot see that W&K are doing it differently. And yes I said the christening pictures with the formal uniform was so far removed from real people.

You are welcome to mention the others' parenting if you want, where have I said you can't?
I just have an opinion on it.
Please stop writing your own script on what I've said.

A lot of the problem is that Harry has been very inconsistent about his relationship to his father. He was definitely the one defending him when William did not want to acknowledge the role he had had in their upbringing and by all accounts Harry was the one who was closer to his father. Now all of a sudden his father was not a good parent. As many have said, there is no such thing as a perfect parent and Charles probably did the best he knew how after Diana died. The only thing that has changed is that Harry has got married. Charles seemed delighted to welcome Meghan into the family. Harry is upset that Charles stopped taking his calls, but the rumour that I read (and I stress I have no proof of this) is that Charles refused to talk to Harry because he was asking for money for security. I must admit, I thought it strange that Charles would suddenly stop taking Harry’s calls when they left the country. No other reasonable explanation has ever been given 🤷‍♀️

Summercocktailsinthesnow

The thing that comes to mind for me when you talk of protecting your children from the nastier parts of life is that unfortunately pretending it doesn’t exist can be just as harmful.
I grew up as a black mixed race child exposed to the racists within my family on the side of my white parent both overt and covert. Hiding it and pretending all was good hurt far more than recognition of the reality ever could.
Also there is a thread in black mumsnetters talking if the first time your child was racially abused with accounts of it happening even at nursery and early school years.

I don’t always think we help when we hide things so much .

They are parents doing the best they can with the tools they have at this time just as their own parents did. As is their right and when they say they are protecting him I think it’s right to believe them

Maybe Harry’s father thought he was protecting him too.

@smilesy

A lot of the problem is that Harry has been very inconsistent about his relationship to his father. He was definitely the one defending him when William did not want to acknowledge the role he had had in their upbringing and by all accounts Harry was the one who was closer to his father. Now all of a sudden his father was not a good parent. As many have said, there is no such thing as a perfect parent and Charles probably did the best he knew how after Diana died. The only thing that has changed is that Harry has got married. Charles seemed delighted to welcome Meghan into the family. Harry is upset that Charles stopped taking his calls, but the rumour that I read (and I stress I have no proof of this) is that Charles refused to talk to Harry because he was asking for money for security. I must admit, I thought it strange that Charles would suddenly stop taking Harry’s calls when they left the country. No other reasonable explanation has ever been given 🤷‍♀️

As I said above, it's Harry's revenge and rage at Charles 'cutting them off' financially. He said that straight out in the Oprah interview. His idea of 'financial independence' was dad paying the bills.

@AmandaHoldensLips

I do wish they'd just bugger off. All this tone-deaf holier-than-thou wokery womble bollocks should stay in california. We are SO not interested.

This ^ - in spades!

We are in a brutal pandemic - India and Brazil in particular are suffering horribly; Israel is waging a genocidal campaign (not even a war - the other side has next to no weapons) against Palestine; large areas of the world, including the oceans, are being destroyed by humankind's greed; women are being erased as a sex; government corruption is destroying all of our democratic safeguards - but it's all about them!

Bugger off, Harry - it's not big and it's not clever.

angie I don't agree, because by telling the whole world rather than having supportive and loving conversations with him privately Archie will never be able to escape the realities. It is not about papering over problems, but about timing, knowing the child mature enough to fully understand, it is about context and most of all given it is Archie's OWN family - it is imperative that the parents get their first (and he does not here it in the school yard) and he does not hear from some nasty shit of a kid that chooses to hurt him with it.

I am sorry but they have left that child wide open to abuse, because knowledge is power and now everyone knows the ins and the outs of Archie's life before it has truly started in the outside world. He won't be two years old forever.

Dont listen to it then! Don't read about it! Avoid them!
Easily done.

**hear

@Roussette

You bitched about the nanny but we’re not supposed to even mention the others parenting

You do like to twist things. I never bitched. Please take that back. I was illustrating the point that I cannot see that W&K are doing it differently. And yes I said the christening pictures with the formal uniform was so far removed from real people.

You are welcome to mention the others' parenting if you want, where have I said you can't?
I just have an opinion on it.
Please stop writing your own script on what I've said.

Of course the christening pictures are very formal and what might be perceived as OTT. They're the kinds of things that get turned into memorabilia and as the future King's family this is what people who support the monarchy want to see: the pageantry.

And let's not pretend that Joe Regular doesn't dress up to the nines for certain events too. It's just that most people's photos aren't looked at by the whole world for decades to come.

Dont listen to it then! Don't read about it! Avoid them!
Easily done.

Not really. Their PR team makes sure of that.

and being a bit dim about how this is going to play out at home

I think at the moment he doesn’t care about public opinion in the U.K. Years ago he said he hated England in an interview. He has a lot of support in the US. He seems determined to build all bridges with family and U.K.

There are very few people in the world that are happy having no family whatsoever, effectively orphans. Being cut out or cut off from your family and closest friends is serious, it is usually extremely painful and even the biggest champion of NC will tell you the deep pain of ending your parental relationship. He has also taken all of those potentially enriching relationships away from Archie, who had no choice in the matter.
I don't believe Harry is happy at all, if he were happy he would be enjoying his life and not bleating and moaning about it every five minutes.

They have moved away from the toxic british press and well done them.

Haha- comments like this are so ridiculous. The toxic British press- are the US paps so much better? Do you not remember their absolute relentless hounding of Britney- the damage they did to that poor woman and the way they treated her? She wrote a song about it!

@Roussette for someone who isn't a fan you seem to spend an awful lot of time defending them and seem to object to any oftenly perfectly reasonable criticism of H&M.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

It is a poisonous legacy because Archie now has no family at all to speak of, no cousins, no grandparents or great grandparents, nothing. Just Meghan's mother (if they are still speaking to her that is) She has gone very quiet in all of this.

The fact Archie will have to live with the fact his mother was suicidal during her pregnancy with him, that his family were apparently racist about the colour of his skin, that his father did not see any merit whatsoever in keeping all of this horrible stuff away from him and out of the media is a disgrace. They have not protected Archie at all, and have left him dangerously exposed to this hornets nest that has been plastered all over the world.

The right thing to do as a bare minimum is to keep quiet, until Archie is much older, and then calmly and quietly speak to him IN PRIVATE about their experiences and the reasons why they took the decisions they did.

It is grossly unfair to do anything else. For my children, above all else I wanted them to grow up feeling loved, looked after and protected from the nastiest parts of life - to enjoy that innocence and joy that is available once in a life time.
It is short lived for all of us, and yet they couldn't even manage that. It is a terrible decision to have made it so public, giving Archie no real chance now of a normal happy childhood.

You are damn right I would not want this for own children.

The right thing to do as a bare minimum is to keep quiet, until Archie is much older, and then calmly and quietly speak to him IN PRIVATE about their experiences and the reasons why they took the decisions they did.

That's utter bollocks. The best way to protect a child from abuse is to talk about it, and make sure they know why relationships are they way they are. That can be done in a child-friendly way.

PH declared at the start of that podcast that he was asked to share his story to help others. He knew he'd be probably be trolled and attacked, but he decided to share anyway, to help other people.

I'm not one of their "fans", either, but I have taken note of the way they've been treated by the media over the past few years. The media has been vicious. I'm not surprised Harry gave that bollocks and removed his family from that environment.

For my children, above all else I wanted them to grow up feeling loved, looked after and protected from the nastiest parts of life - to enjoy that innocence and joy that is available once in a life time.

Have you even listened to the podcast?

• typo above, ‘burn’ not ‘build’!

It is weeks like this one when the RF must have wished so much for Harry to have married Chelsy Davy, this would never have happened with her. Or any of the others for that matter. All had far too much grace, dignity and decorum to even consider a nasty vendetta of this kind.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

It is a poisonous legacy because Archie now has no family at all to speak of, no cousins, no grandparents or great grandparents, nothing. Just Meghan's mother (if they are still speaking to her that is) She has gone very quiet in all of this.

The fact Archie will have to live with the fact his mother was suicidal during her pregnancy with him, that his family were apparently racist about the colour of his skin, that his father did not see any merit whatsoever in keeping all of this horrible stuff away from him and out of the media is a disgrace. They have not protected Archie at all, and have left him dangerously exposed to this hornets nest that has been plastered all over the world.

The right thing to do as a bare minimum is to keep quiet, until Archie is much older, and then calmly and quietly speak to him IN PRIVATE about their experiences and the reasons why they took the decisions they did.

It is grossly unfair to do anything else. For my children, above all else I wanted them to grow up feeling loved, looked after and protected from the nastiest parts of life - to enjoy that innocence and joy that is available once in a life time.
It is short lived for all of us, and yet they couldn't even manage that. It is a terrible decision to have made it so public, giving Archie no real chance now of a normal happy childhood.

You are damn right I would not want this for own children.

Wholeheartedly agree

Summer

See I can’t imagine that having discussed all this openly they as parents would not provide their child with the necessary tools to deal with what will inevitably come.

Our parents are our foremost influences so based On what I have heard from them I would think they are preparing for what will happen.

As you say he and his sister won’t be little forever but the unconditional love and support of their parents as long as they have it will always be their best shield. Quite possibly help by the fact that live and support won’t be subject to the RF rules protocols etc.

PH declared at the start of that podcast that he was asked to share his story to help others

Is that a joke?

How is it ever supposed to 'help' others? How to become spiteful, vindictive and self absorbed ....as H&M have cornered the market when it comes to those qualities. It was simply a nasty cheap shot aimed to hurt the RF and put the desperate H&M in the headlines again. Nothing more to it than that I am afraid.

All we are learning right now is how low they will sink to get the headlines from the media they hate so much.

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Call me what you like, I don't mind.

Strange to make it personal though.
Oh well

I don't object to reasonable discussion, I wish we could always do that. However, amongst the stupid insulting names for them and the names they are called continually, it is hard to see the real discussion at times.

I do wonder what they will do next to be honest. Surely now he's shared all this history he must know that this is what people will now expect of him. I do wonder how they will be able to move forward after the offers of podcasts or interviews dry up.

I have genuinely no idea where the next step is for them after sharing all of their royal stories. The money they had and the market for this type of 'gig' won't last forever and their bills must be astronomical?

Martin Bashir has resigned from his BBC position.

I am reading back (am only on page 12) and also reading current replies, but I must say it strikes me as odd that people think Archie will be affected. In America most famous people's parents were effed up in some way. It's utterly unremarkable and children really don't give a damn, most of them have parents with similar - or worse -, demons. That people on here think it's something any child would give a thought to or spend any time thinking about classmates' parents is utterly bizarre and shows a lack of understanding of children.

Why would you wish away a wife and child who someone loves wholeheartedly

With out quoting verbatim as the bible says
A man will grow and leave his mother and father and become one with his wife

Is that not what the Queen as the head of the C of E and Charles as the future head would want