Harry’s podcast

[smilesy]

Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

@Marmaladeagain

you'd have thought they'd have learned by now that it's upsetting selling stories on families, might upset their mental health etc

I think the story goes that Thomas is evil but Harry's a hero (for doing the same thing to his family) and M's a mermaid, wasn't it?

Archie will be selling stories left, right and centre in 20 years and they'll have no idea where he got the idea from.

True about her dad. He’s been called all the names under the sun for selling stories, yet Harry does it and it’s completely fine.

“I have to thank the UK Press at this point because it got so bad so quickly! You have to acknowledge that fear & go ‘I’m no longer scared of you, I’m no longer scared of doing or saying what you want me to do or say’”- Prince Harry

@Marmaladeagain and if should happen to forget Harry is a Hero at any point, no need to worry either he or Meghan will remind us of his military service

'If he was my son, I would be very worried for him too. His behaviour has been terrible but at do feel a bit of empathy for him'

I feel sorry for him, it's like watching a slow motion car crash. He is so needy and seems so insecure seeking approval and validation constantly, blaming everyone else for everything.

He doth protest too much. The demons are within and he can't escape them from fleeing to the US.

But the UK press are reporting what he himself says and it's all a pile of dog doo doo and the story is being made up as they go along. Definitely not chess players...

It's an outdated institution but will push chairs out of the way to ensure he gets directly behind William (CC); we want titles, we're trapped, we want all the privilege, want to be ordinary - want half-in half-out, ok if can't that you're all a bunch of racists and I hope you "die" (not literally, Kevin the teenager style for the oh-so offended US posters

@Roussette

How do we know they are doing it differently? So they are going to nursery (louis) and private school (St.Thomas's) and I have no doubt, being the age they are, they are hands on as much as they can be.

But really... is it differently? They have a Norland nanny or two. Just not sure how different this was to, say, Diana. No different at all.

What's 'private school' got to do with it? The terms are shorter for a start.

Im going through a shit time with one of my adult DC. I haven’t even mentioned it to his in-laws I’m so aware of not making them feel in the middle of the upset or awkward. Sometimes families get pissed off with other members. The more people who are brought into the upset the worse things are likely to get.

I think this is extremely wise Ecruelworld and discretion is often the better part of valour.

It is a difficult balancing act though. It's clear cut that where there is abuse of the violent or sexual kind, that needs to be exposed. But does that not app!y to racism? Or bullying? Or spreading false newspaper stories? Where do you draw the line? Particularly when royalty is there to serve the public and the public have a legitimate interest in how it is managed.

Diana went too far in her TV interview, which she regretted, and we now know that she was being fed false information too, but overall everyone forgets that up to that point and her publication of her life story through Andrew Morton, she had actually been very discreet, despite being subjected to a shed load of crap from Charles and his cronies. And the press were much more deferential then. We the public read all of these rumours about Camilla in the press and we didn't have a clue who she was and whether the stories were true or not. Many people doubted it. Most of us were astounded when Diana confirmed it all on the telly. And overall I don't think that was a bad thing. It was ludicrous for C & D to try and play happy families in public when they obviously loathed one another by that stage. Her interview exposed all of it as a lie. And therefore much of the RF's PR as a lie. Would it have been better if everyone had gone on pretending?

Jealousy is a nasty thing.
H&M seem to be a one track pony.
Just how many more times can you rephrase the same thought about something before people get bored and just switch off.
If they can't sell their unhappiness, just what are they going to do?

@smilesy

Plenty of people have “toxic” families and unhappy childhoods that are far worse than Harry’s. I was reading about a celebrity the other day, whose father was a heron addict and who had some issues with his mother (sorry to be vague, can’t remember all the details) and who said that many of his friends had had similar issues with their parents. I had no idea he had such issues as a youngster because he has never bleated on about it. He is now very successful and happy and has been married for a very long time. But he didn’t decry his upbringing even though it was genuinely difficult. Instead, he took responsibility for his own life and got on with it. He has obviously come to terms with his past without a public slagging off of his family. I don’t think the fact that this is the RF that Harry is decrying is any excuse. They are still human beings.

Off topic, but the thought of a heron addict made me laugh...

What annoys me is his seeming inability to acknowledge anything positive or privileged about his upbringing.

What's 'private school' got to do with it? The terms are shorter for a start

I am just pointing out that they are not doing anything differently. Norland nannies, private school, as hands on as they can be but who knows how much.
I wonder how W&K are doing anything different.

Not sure what the length of terms at a private school are to do with it?! And no, I don't expect them to go to the state primary down the road!

I just question how they are doing it differently, that's all. I imagine they are more aware of the pitfalls quite possibly but how that translates I do not know.

@allington 😂. Autocorrect strikes again!

'Not sure what the length of terms at a private school are to do with it?'

Because they spend more time at home? Didn't W and haz go to boarding school? So yes, they are doing things differently.

This is all terribly upsetting for Charles. For my own part, I don't think Meghan has changed Harry that much - the capacity for destructive, and franky, cruel, behaviour has always been there....prior to him even meeting Meghan.

Ahhhh thanks Janiie I didnt get the connection with boarding school but...

W&H did not board at the age of George, Charlotte and Louis! Not sure they boarded till older so undoubtedly the three will probably do the same.
Still not sure what they are doing differently.

William and Harry went to boarding school aged eight, I'd be very surprised if W&K's children go before 13 - very different emotional impact

ChiefInspectorParker

The comment you made on the first page has been deleted but it looks perfectly reasonable to me.
Did they give a reason?

I’m not for one moment suggesting that “they” can’t truly have mental health issues/need counselling/feel depressed but I think it’d be easier to deal with as a multimillionaire with a media voice than a person who is struggling with mental health, living in a one bedroom flat, on benefits and worrying about how they’re going to manage, day to day.

That’s what’s starting to piss me off greatly.

I want them to give it a rest.

he is like a loose canon like Diana became in her later years.

'W&H did not board at the age of George, Charlotte and Louis! Not sure they boarded till older so undoubtedly the three will probably do the same.'

True. We'll have to wait and see, I'd be surprised if they boarded but who knows.

They seem to be doing things differently by apparently having a stable home life and married for love rather than breeding. That will surely form a happy home unlike the Wales'. Again, time will tell if the Cambridge juniors compete with the Sussex juniors for chat show appearances and grievance airing. I think not.

Let's hope they wait until the three little ones are 13 then. But at this stage I don't think anyone can say W&K are doing it differently.

They aren't that I can see unless anyone can show me otherwise.

@Smashingorbs

I had genuine sympathy for H when he spoke about the ridiculous level of press intrusion in his life and how he doesn't want that for his dc. I am sure that it must be absolutely toxic to live a life being photographed everywhere you go, and most of us don't have a clue how that would impact upon our mh in RL. I think it would become very easy to become anxious or paranoid for fear of falling over, saying the wrong thing, or being ill under the forensic long lenses of the paps. I imagine it takes a very strong character to handle that, and on the other side, to not become addicted to adulation and privilege. Also, what all of it did to his mother is bound to have affected him badly. I read in a book written by one of her aides that paps used to insult her and call her a "f** b**" in order to photograph her reaction. I can understand him not wanting to subject his DC to that.

But what I can't understand is how that ties up with his current lifestyle; in the public eye, attracting publicity almost weekly. And isn't there more to come with a book as well?

I think there is something very off about making money from trashing your own family, although I can well believe that some of them are racist and that the whole "firm" is toxic with aides in different palaces, working for different family members, vying against each other for the best publicity. (They need to get rid of all of that and sing from the same hymn sheet. )

If he really wanted to escape, couldn't he and M have decamped to Malawi to focus on his charity work there? Or even retreat to Balmoral and work on conservation projects? Or re-wilding in Wales? Army recruitment? Homelessness? There must be something he could do, keeping his head down, and working hard? If he did it seriously, I am sure the press would get bored and leave him alone.

And I'm sorry but despite having genuine grievances it's just not very bright to bang on about them in public when you have money and therefore have choices. Yes he is saying now that he wants to stop complaining and change things but it sounds like he has just made that up retrospectively.

this , if the pair of them really really wanted to make a big difference to poverty and animal welfare and all the other stuff they bang on about they could have actually moved to africa , gone anywhere really other than los angeles and got their bloody hands dirty by actually doing some practical work towards alleviating it ! like all the hundreds of volunteers that chose to go to these countries already do . instead they only are capable of sitting in their mansion doing these stupid podcasts or spotify thingies , working their mouths ,lecturing away at everybody else . iv looked at their archewell foundation and i am thick , i must be , what the fuck does it actually do ? theres no thing to suggest what it achieves , you cant donate to it like the pdsa or humane society for example , it just seems to be slick word babbling , a bit like them really .. i dont believe for a minute they care about all this humanitarian crap they babble about , its convienent , makes them look caring , gets them noticed by the press and they cant get enough of that despite what they say to the contrary

i have got more respect for english lady i read about a few years ago who moved to greece and spends all her time rescuing , feeding , homing the many street cats they have there , i really do , all her money goes into helping them , someone who puts their money and not just their mouth into making a difference , the sorry harry and megan could learn a lot from her and her like , but then moving to africa or somewhere poor wouldnt be the same as living in a huge mansion living the life of riley with yet more millions to be earned by moaning and yapping now would it ?

I do laugh Janiie.... I appreciate your posts but you always follow up something really sensible with a barb!

Agree it appears to be a happy home but as the whole RF seems to rest on Kate (according to some newsfeed I read) she is in a gilded cage with nowhere to go even if it wasn't as happy as she wants.

'he is like a loose canon like Diana became in her later years.'

I think you're right. Apples and trees, much like the Markles.

@Allington... I agree. Harry seems to be endlessly focussed on the difficulties he’s had.

Without going too Monty Python... I grew up on a difficult council estates the north of the UK with a violent alcoholic father and a very young mother. I often (for my own safety) was farmed out to relatives (now, social services would have removed myself and my older sister) and on more than one occasion “saved” my mum from being beaten by my father. I don’t blame my dad - he was the product of his own upbringing. I don’t blame my mum - she was young and couldn’t leave him. She did, many times, but always went back. It was commonplace for myself and my sister to sleep together as teens, with a huge carving knife under the bed, ready if needed.

I am now 58. Only my husband knows of all of this. Friends had no idea.

My point is... “Enough! FFS!”

Lots of children are boarders, it's just another stick to beat his dad with.
Harry is victimizing himself with regard to every single thing, having freedoms no poor child could ever hope for.
A life until he left of never having to earn a living and access to money beyond most people's wildest dreams.
Turning on his family like this can only ever make him more unhappy as he grows older and more detached from his heritage.
Look at how the Duke of Windsor never really got over the repercussion of walking away.