Harry’s podcast

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Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

@StartupRepair

They have their freedom and a growing family. Why not enjoy happiness and the future, rather than continue to complain? We get it - he had a disfunctional family and tragically lost his mother. Is that awful start going to define his whole life?

I think that's it for a lot of us-why can't they just be happy?

They are sitting on millions but want more!

I suppose that's the problem with having been brought up in palaces-it's not so easy when it comes to funding your own (and daddy won't)!

I agree at @sashagabadon
If he was my son, I would be very worried for him too.
His behaviour has been terrible but at do feel a bit of empathy for him ( not for any of the reasons he and Megan are churning out ). It feels like it is going to end badly for him in one way or another. I don’t think those around him give one jot about him. If they did, they would be giving him some very strong advice re his behaviour. He has to get on and find a purpose.

Startuprepair wrote -
They have their freedom and a growing family. Why not enjoy happiness and the future, rather than continue to complain? We get it - he had a disfunctional family and tragically lost his mother. Is that awful start going to define his whole life?
My view exactly. Many of us had childhood traumas, but because we had to get on with life and earn a living we certainly didn't waste our precious time by publicly criticising our family, who could not reply.

@LoisWilkersonslastnerve

I think the podcast was fine, he's just being honest, however, coming after the OW interview it's just more of the same and added together he is coming across as whining. Just get on with your life Harry! Talk about something else. Get some real work and be an interesting person!

I didn't listen to it, but I agree. Especially with 'get some real work and be an interesting person.'

It's also spectacularly bad timing (again) so soon after his grandfather's funeral. When he has spilt his guts repeatedly about how bad the RF are, what will be left for him to talk about?

@Marmaladeagain

I've always said H's the problem - Meghan didn't quite know how little she was in fact letting herself in for. Thought H was rather more important in the RF than he actually is. He sold her a pack of lies on what would be achievable - he'd throw tantrums, always worked previously to get what he wants.

I really think it's a case of if I can't play with the nice toys, then no-one can. Out and out jealousy of William. His ego is clearly massaged by M fanning the flames of his self-pity, but Harry's ego is to blame.

She's no fool. She's cleverer than he is. The top prize was already taken but it seems as if both she and Hazza thought they could tantrum to get their way.

I agree, however, that it's definitely a 'if I can't have it, no one can!' with them.

@coodawoodashooda

'A new handler...' That's interesting. What do you think we didn't find out about Vegas. It's miles up the thread but the poster who suggests that in 20 years Archie will be dishing the dirt and theyll be surprised as to where he got the idea says it all. I want a private life but I'd like to perform at massive stadiums and slag my family off on Oprah. Ffs. I think the saddest part is that William will likely never, ever trust him again.

I can't remember where I read it but it was an article about his Royal Protection Officers in Vegas. They said they were unable to provide a moral compass for him. Doesn't sound great.

I just don't understand how Meghan was so upset about her father talking to the press about her/Harry when they are now doing it 100% to Harry's family. Makes no sense to me.

@smilesy

I can’t see that talking publicly about his relationship with his father will bring about change in the monarchy. It’s not really relevant to how the institution and the succession work. It’s just bringing up your issues with your father and grandparents in front of an audience. How will that bring about “long overdue change?” He is just telling us how he feels, without us hearing the other side of things. He’s not giving us any solutions as to whether we should change the institution or not.

That’s exactly it, it’s like that saying ‘give me solutions, not more problems’

Harry seems to be provide and endless list of problems, no solutions and seems intent on poking the hornets nest, and acts surprised that he might get stung.
Or more like upset he’s not being stung, and that the hornets are all ignoring him.

I do genuinely feel sorry for them (her much more so than him, tbh) but he just strikes me as someone who’s too in their own head, just a bit selfish
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I mean, how dare he sit there and slag his family off for not helping him fucking thrive more, or whatever he’s saying, when by his own admission he was too ashamed of his wife having mental health issues to get her help.
His children are going to have to listen to him saying that for the rest of their lives

"Good point.
It is in fact William and Kate who are doing it differently. Hands on parenting and no tell all interviews."

To be fair to Charles though-he was & still is POW & much more was expected of him when the boys were young than has been expected of K&W.

Incredibly insulting to the young people who really do sacrifice their own lives and opportunities to shop, clean, care for and provide emotional support to their relations.

Pure demagogy/populist crap. Harry is not everyone. Neither is the queen, Kate or William. They are the royal family and it includes him as the grandson of the queen and son of the future monarch.

If you want them to shop, clean and emotionally support their families, take away their privileges and all their money. They will have no option then but be another family.

@1Hazel1 - please remember when Harry & Meghan do tell all interviews they are 'speaking their truth' and trying to end their cycles of 'genetic pain'.

When Mr Markle senior does it - he is playing into the hands of the tabloid press and betraying his family and grandson.

Please get it right.

He's a bloody big cry baby .

hmm oh lol ro Arhcie open up later

Or more like upset he’s not being stung, and that the hornets are all ignoring him Yes that is his greatest problem. Like the boy who cried wolf when the villagers stopped listening.

I had genuine sympathy for H when he spoke about the ridiculous level of press intrusion in his life and how he doesn't want that for his dc. I am sure that it must be absolutely toxic to live a life being photographed everywhere you go, and most of us don't have a clue how that would impact upon our mh in RL. I think it would become very easy to become anxious or paranoid for fear of falling over, saying the wrong thing, or being ill under the forensic long lenses of the paps. I imagine it takes a very strong character to handle that, and on the other side, to not become addicted to adulation and privilege. Also, what all of it did to his mother is bound to have affected him badly. I read in a book written by one of her aides that paps used to insult her and call her a "f b" in order to photograph her reaction. I can understand him not wanting to subject his DC to that.

But what I can't understand is how that ties up with his current lifestyle; in the public eye, attracting publicity almost weekly. And isn't there more to come with a book as well?

I think there is something very off about making money from trashing your own family, although I can well believe that some of them are racist and that the whole "firm" is toxic with aides in different palaces, working for different family members, vying against each other for the best publicity. (They need to get rid of all of that and sing from the same hymn sheet. )

If he really wanted to escape, couldn't he and M have decamped to Malawi to focus on his charity work there? Or even retreat to Balmoral and work on conservation projects? Or re-wilding in Wales? Army recruitment? Homelessness? There must be something he could do, keeping his head down, and working hard? If he did it seriously, I am sure the press would get bored and leave him alone.

And I'm sorry but despite having genuine grievances it's just not very bright to bang on about them in public when you have money and therefore have choices. Yes he is saying now that he wants to stop complaining and change things but it sounds like he has just made that up retrospectively.

Veil - loved your last couple of posts - very true on both points and true as you say that is Harry indeed perpetuating the cycle of pain.

Good point someone made that would have been more difficult for Charles as PoW when H was young and William - they have done things differently I think for William - allowing him space etc and they were with Harry, but he's too self-absorbed to see anything other than how it directly impacts him.

I have always seen him as a very vain individual and that is something I find very unpleasant.

@Roussette

It isn't his opinion that is the issue. It is talking about it publicly

Why can't he?
We should know. Perhaps in knowing that will bring about overdue change

Overdue change of what? He throws his teddy out the pram because if he can't have what he wants, then no one can. Personally I think he's great PR for the RF, if he really despised them as much he'd surely have renounced all his titles and place in the succession and for his kids, too. But I guess, his titles and his professional victim drum are all the vacations he has to sell and 40+ years of extravagant living in California don't come cheap.

To sit in absolute luxury and moan about everything while the world is going to shit really riled me up this sums it up for me. The irony is that Harry used to be one of the more admirable members of the Royal family (after a few youthful hiccups). His ten years in the army, serving in Afghanistan and his work with injured veterans and setting up the Invictus Games, not the glamorous, fashionable and show-businessy side of the Royal family, but giving a boost to the country and the men and women who had been injured fighting for it. And he seemed to really enjoy it - he seemed like a laugh, an ordinary bloke - yes his privileged upbringing had got him to that position, but he seemed to be worthy of it. People knew he'd had some hard knocks along the way, but in some ways that made him more identifiable because despite all the privilege you knew he hadn't had it easy. Since moving to California he seems to have quite literally disappeared up his own bottom. He and Meg could have had anonymity in the UK if they had moved somewhere unglamorous and stayed in - look at Edward and Sophie - you could walk past their kids in Windsor High Street without recognising them, look at Princess Margaret's kids David and Sarah - who even knows the names of their children? But Meghan says it all in her comment about not having to be a princess to be a princess - she doesn't want quite anonymity, she wants to be a princess, but without any of the inconveniences.

Im going through a shit time with one of my adult DC. I haven’t even mentioned it to his in-laws I’m so aware of not making them feel in the middle of the upset or awkward. Sometimes families get pissed off with other members. The more people who are brought into the upset the worse things are likely to get. M&H were furious at her DF for going public, giving interviews about their relationship problems. Harry is furious with his family for many and various reasons. Yet it’s ok for them to give interviews about their grievances . The only thing doing that will improve is H&Ms bank accounts. All this stuff is out there now on the internet and if Archie and his sister decide to google their families when they’re older the poor things are likely going to need their own therapy after they’ve done a bit of reading.

How do we know they are doing it differently? So they are going to nursery (louis) and private school (St.Thomas's) and I have no doubt, being the age they are, they are hands on as much as they can be.

But really... is it differently? They have a Norland nanny or two. Just not sure how different this was to, say, Diana. No different at all.

I can't help but feel that at some point MM is going to 'chew him up and spit him out' and then where will he be? More lost and totally alone?

My observation is the Ab Fab generational divide is often how it pans out - children who have to deal with manipulative, self-absorbed parenting or alcoholics etc usually turn out quite mature for their age and protect others from some of the nastier events. They can predict outcomes and can be cautious.

William seems to have taken that role on for Diana - oversharing her personal feelings with her eldest son and him having to accept the mother he loved and all her failings as one package.

As you say, the only one continuing that cycle is Harry - it will probably turn out his children will be extremely mature and caring having to worry on behalf of their parents with their outbursts and crying into their cornflakes every morning. That is not breaking a cycle, William does seem to be trying.

Thing is though, almost everyone I know has a problematic family to some degree or another. We take the good with the bad. We may rant behind closed doors but we don't publicly shame and hurt the people we claim to love.

I think Barack Obama nailed it in his 'A More Perfect Union' speech before he was elected president.

He pointed to the casual racism within the 'white' side of his own family but then also reflected upon the immense amount of good within those same individuals. How they helped to shape the man he became. Humans are complex and flawed.

There is nothing positive, gracious, dignified or understanding in what Harry and Meghan are doing in this public vilification of their family. It is the opposite of the compassionate agenda they claim to have.

The odds for that are probably quite high which will be sad especially as children will be involved. I think the RF are trying to keep the door open for him to be able to come back should the worse case scenario play out but, PH seems intent on trying to keep slamming that door shut.

I don't really care either way but this is comical

@MoChridhe

My favourite part of the podcast was Harry saying he doesn't give a fuck anymore what the press write about him anymore

He cares hugely what the press writes about him, don't be so daft