Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

It wasn't an admin error. She literally wrote complete lies.

She didnt just forget to make notes or something.

The detective lied in the report

I knew the whole time the blood was hers but still thought she did the wrong thing. If a man hit his partner on the head with a phone when he saw her texting another man, then when she called the police cut his own wrists, it would be called coercive control.

I don’t want to speak ill of the dead, I think she was clearly a very troubled woman.

She was very mentally ill. Her mother said that she had a long long history of poor mental health. And that she was perhaps bipolar.

You never know what people really go through, as Caroline always looked so happy and bubbly on TV.

The question is whether this detective pushed because Caroline was famous, so yes I think that was why she did it.

Given the case was reviewed and the decision changed by a non-police independent authority, why are you so confident she ‘did it because Caroline was famous’ rather than considering the case under-charged? Domestic violence is only very very rarely cautioned.

Now the IOPC is backing her,

They're an independent body who found her to have acted appropriately. They’re not ‘backing her’.

But why does she not have to justify why she did her job to the very extreme end in a case that was clearly not a hugely violent attack and the CPS had decided to drop

She did justify it. She had to answer to the IOPC. It isn’t ‘extreme’ to prosecute a case like this. Assault is a very very common charge and multiple assaults are prosecuted in local Magistrates courts every day. An attack doesn’t need to be ‘hugely violent’ to be illegal.

The press hounded Caroline because of this woman changing that,

People shouldn’t be prosecuted to save them from the gutter press?

I would say at least half of defendants have poor mental health and diagnoses of conditions like anxiety, depression and bipolar disorder. It isn’t surprising that mental illness and violence go hand in hand but nonetheless, justice must prevail.

If she wrote lies I imagine the IOPC would’ve uncovered this. They didn’t.

Do you think that perhaps you're believing too much of what the mother is saying? It's a narrative they are trying to create rather than deal with the fact that she did something wrong, and ultimately took her life, which is tragic.
It's not the detectives fault, and it's not the boyfriends fault, it's just a very sad situation and should be left.

Do you have any empathy for her though?

Yes she hit someone and shouldnt have done it. A first offence.

She was someone who was struggling with mental health issues.

She was then villified.

Remember that the organisation, fathers for justic, put up a picture of her everhwhere saying "this is what an abuser Looks like".

She then killed herself

I just felt very sad when they read iut her texts and played her voice messages.

She was saying things like
'I have no way out"
I have lost everything
Im done for
I don't see any way out of this.

It was just sad to see someone think they have no way out , other than kill themselves

It is possible to have empathy for people and also see justice is done.

the gutter press is at fault here for vilifying her. The rest - sorry but if you assault someone knowingly and understanding you could hurt them you deserve to be charged.

do you not have empathy for the ex partner who was abused?

God, it doesn’t matter. You can see her Mother Theresa if you want to, legally it has no bearing.

If Cheryl is who I think it is then yeah, I see her as a racist cow. She could have been drunk but she was still a racist cow. She might have evolved by now, who knows? I agree with a PP, if it were to happen nowadays she’d have no chance.

Of course it’s sad she lost her life, but it’s no one’s fault. I’m gonna stop replying now because it’s just going in circles.

It is just going to be brushed off as "sad" by this poster, no understanding of how the actions of this seemingly super vigilant Detective pushing the prosecution something the CPS wanted to drop lead to the suicide of Flack.
There is never accountability by these people, because they behave this way themselves.

Did I say of that? I’ve already said I feel sorry for her. She’s not evil. But the threshold for being prosecuted isn’t ‘evil’, it’s simply doing something that looks to have been illegal given the available evidence.

Defendants do sadly die by suicide fairly regularly. It’s not as unusual as you probably think it is. It’s very sad but you can’t not prosecute somebody because of what they might do. As PP said, some people engage in self harm after abusing as if to change the narrative.

(re cautions) "They also require a person accused of such an offence to make an admission of guilt. As Caroline had not provided a clear and reliable admission of guilt in this case, a use of caution was deemed not appropriate."

This from the CPS statement here: https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-statement-relation-case-against-caroline-flack

So this appears to be at odds with the initial statement from Caroline where she does admit guilt?

I was very much of the view that the charge was right but unless there is some other explanation of what 'clear and reliable' means, or Caroline retracted the admission, this does seem to be inaccurate on the CPS website.

Yes I have some empathy for him.

But he kept saying that he didn't want her to be charged.

They also told Caroline that she was not allowed to see him at all, as part of her bail conditions.

He said that he didn't want that to happen.

He didn't have any say in what happened.

The CPS did the opposite of what he wanted to happen

All incredibly routine and not at all unusual.

This. The police have to be able to go through due process.

Plenty of people are charged but never convicted because we have a legal system in place to assess the strength of the evidence.

The person responsible for the review was not judge and jury here, just taking a view that there was enough that it should progress through the legal system.

I haven't watched this one but in the previous documentary it was made clear that she'd had mental health difficulties for a long time and that the public version was far from the whole story.

Ultimately something happened of sufficient severity for the police to be called and I don't think most people do that lightly in a domestic situation.

Edited to say there are also very good reasons that victims in domestic abuse cases don't get the say on charges as it opens them up to the potential for further manipulation or abuse (speaking in general terms not in specific regard to this case,).

Yes I was replying in regard to the question " "do i have empathy for him"

I have empathy for him because of her hitting him

I also have empathy for the suffering that the CPS caused him. He didnt want any of what happened, to happen, he said

Caroline's mother is understandably still grieving but she herself will not find peace by constantly raking over how her daughter died. There isn't going to be another investigation. Caroline was very sadly a young woman with mental health problems who took her own life, that's it.

Caroline's mum should seek counselling and try to gain some equilibrium or she's ruining her own precious life. I can say all this with some knowledge as my son died aged 29.

They didn’t cause him to suffer. He phoned the police of his own volition, and the appropriate procedures then ensued.

I've read the report, they clear the met of any misconduct in this case, the apology was given for what was basically an admin error?

Its a sad story all round.

She shouldn't have hit him.

He maybe didnt realise what calling thw police would actually do.

Her friends said that he really regretted calling the police

And Caroline broke those bail conditions by contacting him on social media (regardless of whether you think the conditions were right or wrong - they were the bail conditions)
Carolines mum did lie in the documentary about who found her daughter’s body. Not knocking her mum - she must be in the depths of grief - but why was Caroline put in a hotel? Then a flat? Where was her mum? Caroline’s own twin sister has said she struggled with Caroline’s mh and believed the headlines.

I can only imagine how it has affected him. It's likely made it hard for him to trust the police and have other relationships.
What a complete mess.